Viviane, I am talking of those organisms that are covered under the heading Microbiology, you know Staphs and Streps and E.coli's, and Klebsiella's, and Pseudomonas', Enterobacters, Yersinias, Neisserias and Mycobacteria, etc. How would one go about to identify one of these in a lab? These are things a layperson would not know. I asked Caedes the same thing, but he also ignored the question. You must at least read through the last few pages of the thread to know what's going on. But don't worry about it. It's quite late where I am and It's time for bed.
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So, Viviane, which organism would you like to discuss?
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Caedes, sorry to disappoint. Retired for the last 25 years. So I am not doing Science for a long time. I'm not sure about your background, and if you are aware of it. As a Witness you were not supposed to have ambition at all. Having a degree was bad enough, as though you had leprosy. But that's not important. Water under the bridge. I have other interests now.
As I have discussed at length in other threads, I believe the DNA of a cell nucleus to be an information system, similar to a computer program, just much more advanced than anything we have developed. Scientists examine it with the help of algorithms. It's a relative new science called Bioinformatics. You can read up on it here:
http://phys.org/news/2016-01-scientists-algorithm-dna-faster-accurately.html
This system must adhere to the laws of information. One of the laws says: "Information cannot be produced by non-living matter" (cf. books, CDs, DVDs, etc). The information in and on all of these cannot be generated spontaneously. The book needs a writer and binary information on the discs, in the form of a computer program, needs a programmer). So behind it is an intelligent mind. Intelligent Design leads me to God, the only rational explanation for the phenomenon called DNA.
Feel free to believe what you want. I'm not here to influence your beliefs. This is what I believe to be the truth and feel the need to defend.
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Perhaps you are expecting too much. As I said, one is trained in a variety of disciplines but that doesn't make one an expert in any of them. I specialized in Microbiology. Doesn't give me a Noddy Badge, although one has to register at the local Human Resources Council to practice. They give you a practice certificate. You start as a student.
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Vidqun
Which organism would you like to discuss?
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Caedes, English is not my mother tongue so I've got to check spelling. As a microbiologist, you constantly do stains, wash slides and cultivate organisms. It's not glamorous at all. The next day you read the plates and identify the organisms. First you look at its colony on the plates. Then you do Gram stains to check whether it is Gram positive or negative. On Gram negatives you do sugar fermetation called API's to identify the organism. Then you prepare the organism on clear plates to check its sensitivity to antibiotics. So, I ask again, what do you expect a Microbiologist to be?
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EdenOne, good observation. Cofty is the expert. He knows all about it. He insists that that was the place the miracle of life started happening, according to one of the books he read. Alas! The formation of new life forms has not been observed. One would have thought they would be able to replicate the process in laboratory conditions. No luck so far. If they do formulate life, then I would be a believer, but then, I know that it's impossible. Life doesn't work like that. Even if it did, the one-celled organism would have to evolve in multi-celled organisms and complex life forms, another impossibility.
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A friendly reminder of what a microbiologist is: A microbiologist (from Greek μῑκρος) is a scientist who studies microscopic life forms and processes or works in the field of microbiology. Microbiologists investigate the growth and characteristics of microscopic organisms such as bacteria, algae, fungi, or some types of parasites (Wiki).
Caedes, what did you think a microbiologist is? Let me tell you about the field. The curriculum starts with Antonie van Leeuwenhoek and the invention of the microscope. He is viewed as the "father of Microbiology." From there you learn about Louis Pasteur and his experiments. Let me tell you about them. He is renowned for his discoveries of the principles of vaccination, microbial fermentation and pasteurization. In his day, the theory of "spontaneous generation" was in vogue. Def. "(Biology) a theory, widely held in the 19th century, but now discredited, stating that living organisms could arise directly and rapidly from nonliving material. Also called Abiogenesis" - The Free Dictionary.
Pasteur effectively demolished this theory with his sealed and open glass jar experiments. I am sure you are familiar with these. From there you learn of the great lights of Microbiology, such as Ferdinand Cohn and Robert Koch, and about the major breakthroughs in Microbiology, such as Alexander Fleming and his discovery of penicillin. As mentioned, then you study the different bacteria, fungi, and viruses. You also do extensive courses in staining, microscopy, and electron microscopy.
Interestingly, you touch on the theory of evolution in your studies. Lo and behold! Here the ugly head of "spontaneous generation" pops up with its new name Abiogenesis, a theory that had been efficiently debunked by microbiologists. The only difference between the biologists' theories of evolution and abiogenesis: This does not happen "directly and rapidly," as in "spontaneous generation." This happens over millions of years. However, it is impossible for life of any form to spontaneous generate from non-living matter, we've established that, haven't we?
Perhaps now you can understand my problem with evolution. If you don't, don't worry about it.
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Cofty, you're welcome.
Yes you're right, we live on different planets. You live on a planet, a fantasy land, where everything just happen. Out of basic elements life "came to be." Here life not only appeared out of the blue, it became more complicated as time went on.
I live on a planet where everything was made. Things were placed there for a purpose. Two different planets altogether.
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Sorry, I was sidetracked by another matter, as you might have noticed. Back to the business at hand.
Chance is certainly a factor in evolution, but there are also non-random evolutionary mechanisms. Random mutation is the ultimate source of genetic variation, however natural selection, the process by which some variants survive and others do not, is not random – Berkeley – Understanding Evolution.
So contrary to your opinion, according to the experts, a certain amount of chance is involved in the process of evolution. Wait, I am for design and against chance. You are supposed to be against design and for chance. But actually you are against chance and against design. This is very confusing. My agent of design is God. Your agent of design, let me see now, the process of natural selection. The mechanism you put your money on, random mutations. So we should not bring abiogenesis into this equation. There it is all chance.
Cofty: The differences in sequence of cytochrome C between different species.
Common ancestry or design? You scream common ancestry. It smacks of design to me. The same entity designed life on earth using the same blueprint/template or whatever you want to call it.
Vidiot, first things first. I refer you to no. 6 in Webster. One is never too old to learn. 6. a process in which the whole universe is a progression of interrelated phenomena - evolutionarily adverb, evolutionary adjective, evolutionism noun, evolutionist adjective. Evolutionism means the whole package and everything related to it. Don’t rely too much on Spellcheckers of Word processing programs. They are not all that good.
Secondly, it's easy to draw a tree of life on paper. It is not so easy to connect the dots in real life. You'll see there's lots and lots of versions of the tree of life. Few can agree on the details.
Redpilltwice, I also find it hard to connect the dots from sea creature to land creature back to sea creature (in some cases, e.g., dolphins, whales).
DJS, Western civilization is based on our Judaeo-Christian-Roman background. That's where our laws and ethics come from, whether you like it or not. Take that away, and what do you have?