Posts by Vidqun

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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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so... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).

actually, i am helping with two classes.

i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.

Vidqun

A ha, so how about the DNA as sender and the organism as recipient of the finished product. I knew you wouldn't like the Creator concept. I should not have suggested it. My bad. The laws of nature, it's late, so here goes:

1) Every action has a reaction (anorganic molecules > organic molecules > living cell). Causality (also referred to as causation, or cause and effect) is the agency or efficacy that connects one process (the cause) with another process or state (the effect), where the first is understood to be partly responsible for the second, and the second is dependent on the first.

2) Law of inert gases: Lowest probability, highest chaos. A gas will not be concentrated in an open environment. "The laws of thermodynamics seem to dictate the opposite, that nature should inexorably degenerate toward a state of greater disorder, greater entropy. Yet all around us we see magnificent structures—galaxies, cells, ecosystems, human beings—that have all somehow managed to assemble themselves.” (Wiki).

3) Diffusing and diluting of atoms and molecules in liquids. If the planet was covered with water to start off with, nowhere would molecules be able to concentrate to form life.

4) Life from life, etc.

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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

so... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).

actually, i am helping with two classes.

i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.

Vidqun

Simon, man is undoubtably the most complex information-processing system on earth. The total number of bits handled daily in all information-processing events occurring in the human body is approximately 3 x 10²⁴. This includes all deliberate as well as all involuntary activities, the former comprising the use of language and the information required for controlling voluntary movements, while the latter includes the control of the internal organs and hormonal systems. The number of bits being processed daily in the human body is more than a million times the total amount of human knowledge stored in all the libraries of the world, which is about 10¹⁸ bits.

Quite a few people are six feet tall. If unravelled the DNA molecule of any cell in one’s body is approximately seven feet long. The information in a single DNA strand is the equivalent of many sets of Encyclopedias. Think about it, the fertilized ovum is the size of a pinhead. That nucleus supplies all the information to construct a person.

That is why the DNA molecule is viewed as an Optimal Coding System:

1) As seen the storage in a living cell must be done within the smallest possible space.

2) As the number of characters of the code increases, the complexity of the execution machinery will have to increase. So the four base pairs are basic, yet their application is quite extraordinary.

3) According to the DNA zipper, the code “alphabet” would be even, the strands being complimentary.

4) In order to reduce errors it is necessary to incorporate redundancy. The significance of redundancy is that it provides flexibility without error, e.g., codons GAA and GAG both specify the aminoacid glutamic acid. Even if GAA is copied ‘incorrectly’ as GAG, it also codes for glutamic acid.

Conclusion: Scientist uses advanced algorithms to predict DNA controlling the genes (to turn them on and off). They also use an information theoretical framework and coding theory to study the DNA repair mechanism, which is viewed as a genomic error correction system. Their proposed framework for DNA-repair enables them to describe this functionality within the DNA molecule quantitatively and algorithmically. Thus, the coding system for living beings is optimal from an engineering standpoint.

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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

so... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).

actually, i am helping with two classes.

i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.

Vidqun

No Cofty, you are mistaken. If one follows the natural laws and the laws of Universal Information you can draw only one conclusion. Language and computer code were compiled or programmed. The DNA, much more complicated than all languages or computer programs put together, would follow the path of Universal Information. I see enough evidence there to be convincing. Are above laws falsifiable? I will be holding on to them, until such time when they are proved false.

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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

so... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).

actually, i am helping with two classes.

i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.

Vidqun

A ha, bear with me, I know you believe differently, but the will or volition will have to come from the one who created the cell nucleus. The cell nucleus cannot develop on its own from inanimate matter. It has to be created. It was designed for a specific purpose.

The cell nucleus includes different kinds of information: 1) structural; 2) operational; 3) communicative. All three types could be classified as Universal Information or UI in short.

Universal Information(UI) should be distinguished from commonplace information. UI must conform to certain criteria. It must incorporate:

Cosyntics (code + syntax): This is all structural units and properties used in the process of creating information. A code is a uniquely defined set of abstract symbols. Syntax is a set of all the rules in a language, whether or not that language is natural, machine, logic or mathematic.

Symantics (meaning): This refers to the meaning that has been assigned to words, phrases, sentences, thus the practical application of code and syntax. This cannot originate from random, unguided physical-chemical processes and needs an intelligent sender.

Pragmatics (action taken): This allows the receiver of the information to perform certain actions. What the sender hopes to achieve and/or what the receiver needs to perform.

Apobetics (purpose) The means of attaining a purpose.

If you compare human language, computer language and DNA with above criteria, you will notice that all of these qualify as Universal Information (UI).

E.g., If you look through a microscope at a crystal lattice, you gather in a lot of information, but this does not qualify as UI. Your example of the tree rings also presents you with a lot of information, but this does not qualify as UI either. If you look at the stars through a telescope a lot of information is presented to you, but it does not qualify as UI.

Universal information, as human language or computer code, needs an intelligent compiler or programmer. So also the DNA code in living cells needs a compiler and programmer.

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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

so... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).

actually, i am helping with two classes.

i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.

Vidqun

Cofty: One other thing. You asked about how genes can explain radical differences in body plans.
The answer is homeobox genes.
I don't think I have ever explained about the homeobox. Perhaps I will do that in the "Evolution is a Fact" series.

I can't wait for your discussion on Homeobox and Hox genes, a fascinating subject indeed. There’s wonderful illustrations of the subject to drive the points home. I can actually see why you haven't done it yet. It's quite problematical for evolutionists. See the following quote:

“Control genes like homeotic genes may be the target of mutations that would conceivably change phenotypes, but one must remember that, the more central one makes changes in a complex system, the more severe the peripheral consequences become. … Homeotic changes induced in Drosophila genes have led only to monstrosities, and most experimenters do not expect to see a bee arise from their Drosophila constructs.” (C. Schwabe, Theoretical limitations of molecular phylogenetics and the evolution of relaxins, Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology107B:167–177, 1994).

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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

so... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).

actually, i am helping with two classes.

i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.

Vidqun

Slimboyfat, Cofty only reads Dawkins, et al. The rest is rubbish, don't you know?

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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

so... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).

actually, i am helping with two classes.

i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.

Vidqun

By illustrating my point, I illustrate your point. Glad to be of service.

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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

so... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).

actually, i am helping with two classes.

i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.

Vidqun

By the way, homeobox genes or Hox genes cause mutations in the same species. These don't create new species. I am sure the evolutionists will let us know when they observe the creation of a new species.

A mutation can only change hereditary information that is already present. Without the DNA information system already in existence, biological evolution cannot get started. Mutation, by definition, is a random process, so in principle it cannot produce new functional systems (e.g., new organs).

Where did the organisms come from in the first place for mutations and natural selection to take place? That is the big question!

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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

so... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).

actually, i am helping with two classes.

i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.

Vidqun

Why Cofty, if you believe in the evolutionary myth, ignoring natural laws and the laws of information, then the sky is the limit, is it not? Why not believe in the fish gods, some of them amphibians, no less? It’s not that far off from your constructed reality. Apart from Matsya Avatar of Lord Vishnu, there is the Biblical Dagon. Included here should be Oannes. Berossus, a scholar/priest, living in Babylon in the 3rd century BC, who wrote the history of Babylonia, included a story about him. He had the body of fish, but underneath the figure of a man. Yes, the evolutionary myth gives rise to painful realities, well-documented by screenwriters and Hollywood directors.

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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

so... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).

actually, i am helping with two classes.

i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.

Vidqun

I call the theory of evolution mutational, inter-species magic. You see it demonstrated and speeded up in Harry Potter-movies. However, it’s not real. I would be ashamed to believe that it was real. Here’s why evolution as such cannot happen. Allow me to explain:

The universe consists of energy, matter and information. Biological systems consist of energy, organic as well as inorganic matter. These also come with three kinds of information: 1) Structural information. 2) Operating information. 3) Communicative information. These fall under the category of Universal Information (UI). Universal Information or UI, having a sender and receiver, has the following characteristics:

Statistics. This could point to transmitted signals from the sender or received signals from the receiver (in language this would be the individual letters).

Cosyntics (code + syntax). Code as employed by the sender and understood code by the receiver (in language this would amount to the grammar of a phrase or sentence).

Semantics. Communicated idea from the sender or understood meaning by the receiver (in language, this would be the idea or meaning of a phrase or sentence).

Pragmatics. Expected action by the sender and implemented action by the receiver (practical application of material).

Apobetics. Intended purpose by the sender and achieved result by the receiver.

As seen, language, computer programs and the activities controlled by the nucleus of living cells, all qualify as UI. A very important prerequisite of UI is the will or volition, i.e., an intelligent sender and/or receiver (UI is not a property of matter, meaning it cannot originate from lifeless matter, organic or inorganic). The source of information is always an intelligent mind.

Question is: Does any part of DNA qualify as UI? DNA comprises of “letters,” i.e., adenine (A), thymine (T), guanine (G), and cytosine (C). During protein synthesis transcription and translation takes place. By using aminoacids as building blocks, proteins are manufactured. This would be part of the cell's structural information.

The theory of evolution ignores natural laws as well as the laws of information. What about mutation and natural selection? A mutation can only change hereditary information that is already present. Without the DNA information system already in existence, biological evolution cannot get started. Mutation, by definition, is a random process, so in principle it cannot produce new functional systems (e.g., new organs). The same goes for natural selection. Natural selection favors those organisms more capable of surviving, ensuring that their hereditary material has a better chance of propagating itself. However, this process only sorts or culls information that is already there, neither improving the information nor adding anything new.