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  Isn’t JW’s teaching of “the abomination that causes desolation” wrong?

  by Abraham1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what “the abomination that causes desolation” mentioned in mathew 24:15 means could be understood only by close followers of jesus because it was part of his personal discussion with them.

  by stopping to greet those whom they consider as “their enemies” jws are identifying themselves as “pagans,” according to jesus.

  (mathew 5:43-48) thus they cannot correctly understand what the abomination that causes desolation” that would appear as part of signs of “last days.”.

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  Disillusioned, just the other way round. According to the Society, King of the South = Anglo-America. King of the North = Russia and following. Here's a summary of the first "desolator" as I see it.

  ABOMINATIONS CAUSING DESOLATION
  

  Dan. 9:27b

  Pax Romana

  Ara Pacis Augustae

  The Ara Pacis Augustae (Altar of Augustan Peace), erected in Rome in 9 BCE, stands as a monument to the Pax Romana, an era of peace and prosperity throughout the Roman Empire ushered in by the Emperor Augustus. Relief carvings decorate the walls surrounding the altar, which is now located at the Museum of the Ara Pacis Augustae, in Rome.

  The Roman Empire introduced the Pax Romana in 9 BCE to celebrate the peaceful rule of Caesar Augustus. During this time of peace and prosperity the Empire would flourish. On the contrary, Dan. 7:19 portrays Rome as a ferocious beast, “extraordinary fearsome, the teeth of which were of iron and the claws of which were copper, which was devouring [and] crushing, and which was treading down even what was left with its feet.”

  The iron teeth beast can only be Rome. “There is” (says Herodian, ii. 11.7) “no part of the earth and no region of the heavens whither the Romans have not extended their dominion.” Such is also the conclusion reached by Martin Luther: “In this interpretation and opinion,” he observes, “all the world are agreed, and history and fact abundantly establish it.” It certainly lived up to its name. By destroying Jerusalem in 70 CE, Rome took on the Biblical title “abominations causing desolation:”

  "And upon the wing of disgusting things [“abominations,” ESV, NET] there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, the very thing decided upon will go pouring out also upon the one lying desolate" (Dan. 9:27b; cf. Luke 21:20-24).

  “The Roman standards were guarded with religious veneration in the temples at Rome; and the reverence of this people for their ensigns was in proportion to their superiority to other nations . . . [To soldiers it] was perhaps the most sacred thing the earth possessed. The Roman soldier swore by his ensign.”—The Encyclopædia Britannica, 11th Edition.
  
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  May 2022 Study Watchtower - FAKE prophecy again for JW's

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  may 2022 study watchtower page 6, par.

  5 “satan instigated an attack on the anointed brothers who were taking the lead in the kingdom-preaching work.

  prominent ones among them were the figurative “two witnesses” spoken of as being killed.”.

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  Rev. 17:8 Beast about to ascend out of the abyss ["is about to come up from the abyss" NET]

  Rev. 11:7 Beast that ascends out of the abyss ["the beast that comes up from the abyss" NET]

  Conclusion: 1) Same beast. 2) Rev. 11 & 17 not in chronological order. 3) Fake (Watchtower) prophecy.
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  May 2022 Study Watchtower - FAKE prophecy again for JW's

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  may 2022 study watchtower page 6, par.

  5 “satan instigated an attack on the anointed brothers who were taking the lead in the kingdom-preaching work.

  prominent ones among them were the figurative “two witnesses” spoken of as being killed.”.

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  They used to say that Rutherford and Co. were jailed during the First World War, fulfilling the prophecy of the two witnesses ("Proclaimers"-book). As mentioned, that cannot be. According to their theology, Beast from the abyss is the United Nations, which did not exist as yet. It cannot be the League of Nations either, which only came into being in 1920. Whatever they say, fail all round. Fredrick Franz did notice the discrepancy, so in a footnote to the "Revelation"-book (p. 167) he changed the meaning of "abyss" at Rev. 11:7 to "deep." According to him here it would point to the first beast, Beast from the sea (Rev. 13:1). Reminds one of the change in meaning of the word "generation."
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  Robert King aka e-watchman

  by RolRod in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there have been a few post about robert king, the first was 16 years ago, the last was 9 years ago.

  just to the let the old timers here know, he's still at it.

  and for you newbies, robert king who wrote "jehovah himself has become king.

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  Vidqun

  Here’s a view Biblical thoughts for those that cannot think for themselves and insist on following a person or group:

  Isaiah (2:22 NET) gives a stern warning: “Stop trusting in human beings, whose life’s breath is in their nostrils. For why should they be given special consideration?” This is in line with Jeremiah’s quote (17:5): “This is what Jehovah has said, Cursed is the able-bodied man who puts his trust in earthling man and actually makes flesh his arm, and whose heart turns away from Jehovah himself.” Yes, governments, kings, religious leaders, important people and the super rich cannot be trusted. They do not have the interests of the people at heart, but are focused only on their own interests. The psalmist reinforces the argument: “Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish” (Ps. 146:3, 4). Or phrased differently: “Do not trust in princes, or in human beings, who cannot deliver!” (Ps. 146:3 NET).
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  Where will the war in Ukraine lead to?

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there has been comments in the news recently that the war in ukraine could be the beginning to the world war three.. i would not be surprised if it is.

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  the bible says a time will come when the peace will be taken from the earth.. revelation 6:4 another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword.. have you heard what possibly this war in ukraine could lead to?.

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  Prof. John Mearsheimer discusses the history of modern Ukraine, where it is now and where it's going. Seems like the Russians are going to level the country, leaving its cities in ruins. He discusses the reasons for his predictions.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4
  
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  Peak Cancel Culture

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  we seemed to have reached peak cancel-culture.

  now, we get to try to cancel the citizens of an entire country for something their government chose to do.. really, we can't allow russian individuals to compete in sports?

  to live a life?.

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  Even worse when you insist on your narrative and cancel your opponent's version. Westerners are so full of themselves. Their opinion is the only one that matters. Everybody else is wrong. Certainly, a dangerous state of affairs. We have an advert dealing with short term insurance, a robot asking: "What can go wrong?" Reminds me of the Witnesses. Our version is the correct version, even if we are wrong.
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  COVID Vaccine and JW's

  by FedUpJW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading some of the news this afternoon i came across an article titled the lies about vaccine efficacy are exposed, so scotland stops publishing data, that opened with this statement:.

  if the truth hurts your narrative, you must censor it.

  but what if your own information harms your own narrative?

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  This is what I'd like to know:

  How many JWs died from COVID?

  How many died with COVID?

  How many died of the vaccine?

  How many were injured by the vaccine?

  I guess we will never know.
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  JWs don’t use the apocryphal, yet source them

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so a quick little note about a few things that i recently learned.

  if you ever had the yellow book of bible stories, there was the story of enoch, also repeated in other watchtower publications, about the angels fathering giants and being a menace on earth.

  now if you look at the nicean bible, which is the wtbts selection of the bible, it mentions enoch twice and only has a very brief passage about nephilim and ben elohim.

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  I know most Protestants view the Apocryphal books as historical but not "inspired" (e.g., Maccabees). As far as I know the Witnesses fall in that camp.
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  Ukraine - Nato - US crisis

  by mikeflood in

  1. social
  2. current

  don't understand....but this crisis in ukraine seems to be getting out of control....i mean, everybody knows how to start a war..... by the way, as always, people at the borg are having a field day.....

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  Here's another satire-based perspective. A few quotes from the author, pointing to where the real problem lies:

  The Year of the Black Water Tiger started, for all practical purposes, with a Beijing bang on Friday, as Presidents Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin, after a live meeting before the initial ceremony of the Winter Olympics, issued a joint statement on international relations.
  

  The ghost of Mackinder is in total freak out mode contemplating in impotence the imperial brilliance of deciding to fight a two-front war against the Russia-China strategic partnership. At least there’s Monty Python to the rescue: the Ministry of Silly Walks has been gloriously revived as the Ministry of Silly Strategies.
  

  None of the above alters the fundamental fact that the USUK combo – plus the proverbial NATO chihuahuas Poland and the Baltics – are spinning around like mad trying to provoke a war. And the only way to do it is to Release the False Flags. It may be sometime in February, it may be during the Beijing Olympics, it may be before the onset of Spring. But they will come. And the Russians are ready.
  

  The ultimate danger – especially for the European minions – is that the headless eagle will never let go of its former “indispensable” status without provoking another devastating war.

  http://thesaker.is/the-year-of-the-tiger-starts-with-a-sino-russian-bang/
  
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  What is your IQ? Does it Matter?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had an aunt that had rheumatic fever as a child and only had an iq the high 70's.

  but, absolutely no one was able to bs her on an emotional level.

  she had an uncanny ability to see through people's bs.

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  I like the concept of fluid and crystallized intelligence. The one aspect decreases when you grow older, the other increases. The Cattell-Horn theory of fluid and crystallized intelligence suggests that fluid intelligence is the ability to reason and think flexibly. Crystallized intelligence refers to the accumulation of knowledge, facts, and skills that are acquired throughout life. So one's IQ would be a combination of the two.

  People often claim that their intelligence seems to decline as they age. However, research suggests that while fluid intelligence begins to decrease after adolescence, crystallized intelligence continues to increase throughout adulthood.

  https://www.verywellmind.com/fluid-intelligence-vs-crystallized-intelligence-2795004