Posts by Vidqun

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WT May 2022: The Seven Headed Beast

by raymond frantz in

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https://youtu.be/wg9-pvxsoqm.

this is my take on may 2022 watchtower on the seven headed beast and its connection to the 4 beasts of daniel 7. what do you think?.

Vidqun

Yes, you're right Raymond. To explain Revelation, Daniel's input would be needed. The book of Revelation is left unsealed, but Daniel's book is sealed until the time of the end (Dan. 12:4, 9; Rev. 22:10).

I agree the beasts share similar animal characteristics. But your first combination beast of Rev. 13 only reigned 42 months (Rev. 13:5). That means it would be assimilated by the image, becoming a beast in its own right, i.e., the scarlet-colored wild beast of Rev. 17. The same goes for the ten kings (earthly totality = all the kings on earth) and Daniel's beasts (remnants of those would be Iraq, Iran, Greece and Italy). These would become part of the scarlet-colored wild beast. Why? Because at Armageddon only two beasts would remain for Jesus to deal with, Beast from the earth (False prophet) and the scarlet-colored wild beast (Beast from the abyss). See Rev. 19:20; 20:10.

Nebuchadnezzar's dream image, and the different layers of metal, compares well with Dan 7. To force Russia into the mix would upset the chronological order. By the way, quite a few evangelical Christians are also doing the same. I prefer using Dan. 11:40 to explain the war in Ukraine. It's part of the pushing between the two kings, which is similar to the Society's viewpoint. The final clay and iron of the feet, which do not mix, also correspond to Daniel 11:40 and the competition between the King of the North and South.

Jeffro, here's something for you to think about. Would you say it is all due to coincidence?

The Biblical importance of a future “tribulation” or “time of distress” should not be underestimated. A multitude of passages, peppered all over Scripture, directly or indirectly refer to the “great tribulation” and connected events (cf. Is. 2:10, 19, 21; 13:10, 11; Amos 8:9, 11, 12; Hag. 2:6; Hebr. 12:26-29). In addition, nearly two thirds of the book of Joel describes tribulation parallels (Joel, chapter 1 & 2). Approximately 13% of Jesus’ Olivet discourse comprises information about the “great tribulation” (Matt. 24:15-28). Nearly a third of the book of Revelation (chapters 6-9, 11, 15, 16) deals exclusively with tribulation related developments. And as will be seen, prophetic chronology of both Daniel and Revelation points to important facets of the tribulation period (Dan. 8:11-14, 25; 12:1, 7, 11, 12; Rev. 11:2, 3).

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WT May 2022: The Seven Headed Beast

by raymond frantz in

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https://youtu.be/wg9-pvxsoqm.

this is my take on may 2022 watchtower on the seven headed beast and its connection to the 4 beasts of daniel 7. what do you think?.

Vidqun

I really don't understand your "historical view." Rev. 4:1 is a good example. The following article makes sense to me:

Most commentaries do not tackle the theological or prophetic question, but assume a historical interpretation. Theologically, this is based on the view that biblical prophecies always have concrete, contemporary significance; indeed, R. Schütz takes the view that prophecy in Revelation is written at the time when the author thinks the great turning point must come. Historically such an interpretation is based on the suggestion that apocalyptic literature is always written with contemporary reference at times when some turning point was expected in view of the urgency of the need.

NT prophecy has permanent significance because no one knows the hour and the mystery of iniquity is already at work, as expressed in Revelation by the fact that Babylon sits on the beast, i.e., has a lasting connection with it which is not dependent on the manifestation of the beast. The historical argument for the contemporary interpretation of Revelation, and especially of the beasts, namely, that apocalyptic literature demands such an interpretation, rests on the petitio principii that Revelation is to be interpreted in terms of this literature. It is well known to what difficulties application of this interpretation leads.

Similarly, the view of Schütz (464) that the images of Revelation could be known to the author only, from apocalyptic literature is another petitio principii. Every page of Revelation shows how immersed its speech and imagery are in the OT. Every page shows also how free the author is from the letter of the OT and from any attested apocalyptic tradition. This is why the question of the theological and prophetic significance of the images must be raised.

See G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley, G. Friedrich (Eds.). (1964–). Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (electronic ed., Vol. 3, pp. 135, 136, footnote 11). Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.

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Hi again

by Lee Marsh in

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it is nice to see some familiar faces here.

for those who don't know who i am my last id was lady lee.

thought i would drop by and say hello; see how people are doing.

Vidqun

Hi Lady Lee, good to hear from you. Sorry to hear of your uphill battle. My mother also had cancer (colon) and did chemo and the different cures. Something worked. She is in remission for the last seven years. When I heard that cancer grows anaerobically (in the absence of oxygen), I bought her an oxygen concentrator. If you haven't tried it, give it a go. You never know. Oxygen is one of the most natural "cures" and definitely not detrimental to your health.

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Saving "mark" on forehead: A CROSS?

by Terry in

ezekiel 9:4.

“go throughout the city of jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”

in the script used during old testament times it was either in x shape or a + shape.

Vidqun

Terry, I looked it up and you're right.

Bauer-Leander Heb. 449f (on p. 450); the last letter of the Old Canaanite alphabet was written in the shape of a St. Andrew’s Cross; this amounted to a simple mark, which was actually the mark of a herdsman; an etymological connection can be made with Arb. taww individual, separate item, cf. Bauer-Leander Heb. loc. cit. (KBS).

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Isn’t JW’s teaching of “the abomination that causes desolation” wrong?

by Abraham1 in

what “the abomination that causes desolation” mentioned in mathew 24:15 means could be understood only by close followers of jesus because it was part of his personal discussion with them.

by stopping to greet those whom they consider as “their enemies” jws are identifying themselves as “pagans,” according to jesus.

(mathew 5:43-48) thus they cannot correctly understand what the abomination that causes desolation” that would appear as part of signs of “last days.”.

Vidqun

Disillusioned, just the other way round. According to the Society, King of the South = Anglo-America. King of the North = Russia and following. Here's a summary of the first "desolator" as I see it.

ABOMINATIONS CAUSING DESOLATION

Dan. 9:27b

Pax Romana

Ara Pacis Augustae

The Ara Pacis Augustae (Altar of Augustan Peace), erected in Rome in 9 BCE, stands as a monument to the Pax Romana, an era of peace and prosperity throughout the Roman Empire ushered in by the Emperor Augustus. Relief carvings decorate the walls surrounding the altar, which is now located at the Museum of the Ara Pacis Augustae, in Rome.

The Roman Empire introduced the Pax Romana in 9 BCE to celebrate the peaceful rule of Caesar Augustus. During this time of peace and prosperity the Empire would flourish. On the contrary, Dan. 7:19 portrays Rome as a ferocious beast, “extraordinary fearsome, the teeth of which were of iron and the claws of which were copper, which was devouring [and] crushing, and which was treading down even what was left with its feet.”

The iron teeth beast can only be Rome. “There is” (says Herodian, ii. 11.7) “no part of the earth and no region of the heavens whither the Romans have not extended their dominion.” Such is also the conclusion reached by Martin Luther: “In this interpretation and opinion,” he observes, “all the world are agreed, and history and fact abundantly establish it.” It certainly lived up to its name. By destroying Jerusalem in 70 CE, Rome took on the Biblical title “abominations causing desolation:”

"And upon the wing of disgusting things [“abominations,” ESV, NET] there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, the very thing decided upon will go pouring out also upon the one lying desolate" (Dan. 9:27b; cf. Luke 21:20-24).

“The Roman standards were guarded with religious veneration in the temples at Rome; and the reverence of this people for their ensigns was in proportion to their superiority to other nations . . . [To soldiers it] was perhaps the most sacred thing the earth possessed. The Roman soldier swore by his ensign.”—The Encyclopædia Britannica, 11th Edition.

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May 2022 Study Watchtower - FAKE prophecy again for JW's

by BoogerMan in

may 2022 study watchtower page 6, par.

5 “satan instigated an attack on the anointed brothers who were taking the lead in the kingdom-preaching work.

prominent ones among them were the figurative “two witnesses” spoken of as being killed.”.

Vidqun

Rev. 17:8 Beast about to ascend out of the abyss ["is about to come up from the abyss" NET]

Rev. 11:7 Beast that ascends out of the abyss ["the beast that comes up from the abyss" NET]

Conclusion: 1) Same beast. 2) Rev. 11 & 17 not in chronological order. 3) Fake (Watchtower) prophecy.

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May 2022 Study Watchtower - FAKE prophecy again for JW's

by BoogerMan in

may 2022 study watchtower page 6, par.

5 “satan instigated an attack on the anointed brothers who were taking the lead in the kingdom-preaching work.

prominent ones among them were the figurative “two witnesses” spoken of as being killed.”.

Vidqun

They used to say that Rutherford and Co. were jailed during the First World War, fulfilling the prophecy of the two witnesses ("Proclaimers"-book). As mentioned, that cannot be. According to their theology, Beast from the abyss is the United Nations, which did not exist as yet. It cannot be the League of Nations either, which only came into being in 1920. Whatever they say, fail all round. Fredrick Franz did notice the discrepancy, so in a footnote to the "Revelation"-book (p. 167) he changed the meaning of "abyss" at Rev. 11:7 to "deep." According to him here it would point to the first beast, Beast from the sea (Rev. 13:1). Reminds one of the change in meaning of the word "generation."

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Robert King aka e-watchman

by RolRod in

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there have been a few post about robert king, the first was 16 years ago, the last was 9 years ago.

just to the let the old timers here know, he's still at it.

and for you newbies, robert king who wrote "jehovah himself has become king.

Vidqun

Here’s a view Biblical thoughts for those that cannot think for themselves and insist on following a person or group:

Isaiah (2:22 NET) gives a stern warning: “Stop trusting in human beings, whose life’s breath is in their nostrils. For why should they be given special consideration?” This is in line with Jeremiah’s quote (17:5): “This is what Jehovah has said, Cursed is the able-bodied man who puts his trust in earthling man and actually makes flesh his arm, and whose heart turns away from Jehovah himself.” Yes, governments, kings, religious leaders, important people and the super rich cannot be trusted. They do not have the interests of the people at heart, but are focused only on their own interests. The psalmist reinforces the argument: “Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish” (Ps. 146:3, 4). Or phrased differently: “Do not trust in princes, or in human beings, who cannot deliver!” (Ps. 146:3 NET).

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Where will the war in Ukraine lead to?

by Kosonen in

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there has been comments in the news recently that the war in ukraine could be the beginning to the world war three.. i would not be surprised if it is.

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the bible says a time will come when the peace will be taken from the earth.. revelation 6:4 another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword.. have you heard what possibly this war in ukraine could lead to?.

Vidqun

Prof. John Mearsheimer discusses the history of modern Ukraine, where it is now and where it's going. Seems like the Russians are going to level the country, leaving its cities in ruins. He discusses the reasons for his predictions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

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Peak Cancel Culture

by Simon in

we seemed to have reached peak cancel-culture.

now, we get to try to cancel the citizens of an entire country for something their government chose to do.. really, we can't allow russian individuals to compete in sports?

to live a life?.

Vidqun

Even worse when you insist on your narrative and cancel your opponent's version. Westerners are so full of themselves. Their opinion is the only one that matters. Everybody else is wrong. Certainly, a dangerous state of affairs. We have an advert dealing with short term insurance, a robot asking: "What can go wrong?" Reminds me of the Witnesses. Our version is the correct version, even if we are wrong.