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  the sounding of the trumpet

  by enoughisenough in

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  i will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.

  jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.

  when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.

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  Vidqun

  Enoughisenough, don’t know whether this will help. According to this German dictionary, John’s resurrection and Matthew’s judgment is not the same thing. The context differs. Bottom line, the Society's 1914 beliefs do not make sense. Jesus will only start his 1000 year reign when Satan is bound (Rev. 20:3, 4):

  Resurrection (John)

  "The juxtaposition of "resurrection to life" and "resurrection to judgment" in John 5:29 speaks of the eschatological resurrection of all who are in the grave and the eschatological judgment by the Son of Man. Since there is a certain tension between this and the realized eschatology asserted in vv. 24f., it is often judged to be an interpolation (by the author or a redactor). However, future eschatology is to be found also in the speech about bread in John 6 (also in interpolations?) where ἀνίστημι (used trans.) clearly denotes Jesus as the originator of eschatological resurrection: "I will raise him up at the last day" (6:40, 44, 54, cf. v. 39). In 11:24 Martha understands Jesus' promise of resurrection for Lazarus in an eschatological sense: "he will rise again in the resurrection [figura etymologica] at the last day." Jesus corrects this hope by referring to himself as "the resurrection and the life" (v. 25); i.e., in Johannine language, he is in his own person the cause and embodiment of what is hoped for in the form of resurrection and а ζωή. Whoever believes in him has a share in it now already and, indeed, forever."

  Judgment (Matthew)

  Difference here is that those in Tyre, Sidon, Nineveh, Sodom and the Queen of Sheba were ignorant, whereas the religious leaders were not.

  "Jesus' statements regarding those who refuse his message of salvation speak of the eschatological judgment ("the day of judgment"). Such people have a greater responsibility than the prototypical places of sin and Gentile cities (Sodom, etc.) and than the queen of the South (Matt 10:15; 11:22 par. Luke 10:14; Matt 11:24; 12:41, 42 par. Luke 11:31, 32)." See EDNT.
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  the sounding of the trumpet

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.

  jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.

  when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.

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  Enoughisenough, good question. In the end each one must examine the evidence and decide for himself. Hopefully we'll soon find out. Here's the relevant scriptures:

  Set day, man appointed to judge: Acts 17:31 = 1000 years (Rev. 20:3, 4) Kings/priests to judge 1000 years.

  Judgment Day: Matt. 10:15; 11:22; 11:24; 12:36 = 1000 years (?)

  Each to render an account: Rom 14:12 (Rev. 20:12, 13) (?)
  

  Resurrect him in the last day: John 6:39, 40, 44, 54; 7:37; 11:24; 12:48 = 1000 years (?)

  Note, "judgment day" occurs only in Matthew, each time in a similar context. John uses the "last day," also in the same context. Only one I am sure of, is the first, Acts 17:31. This fits in with Rev. 20:3, 4. Really not sure about the rest. Daniel will be resurrected "at the end of days," when our history stops and the new history begins, probably at the beginning of the 1000 years (Dan. 12:13).
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  the sounding of the trumpet

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.

  jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.

  when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.

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  Vidqun

  What might solve your problem is if there are two resurrections. Here's my understanding of the resurrection:

  1) First resurrection: The first resurrection, also referred to as the “earlier resurrection” (cf. Phil. 3:10, 11 Roth), is an important chronological marker (1 Cor. 15:51-53; 1 Thes. 4:15-17; Rev. 6:11; 11:1, 14, 15, 18; 20:4-6). It will be initiated in the time of the seventh and last trumpet (Rev. 11:15, 18). Next in line are the two witnesses who are publically resurrected (Rev. 9:11; 11:3, 11, 12). Last group is to be caught up in the air during Jesus’ Second Coming. They will have no advantage over those resurrected earlier. Although the time frame for their ascent will differ, they will receive the same reward (Matt. 24:29-31; 1 Thes. 4:15-17 CSBO).

  
  2) Second resurrection: This is to take place during the Millennium (Dan. 12:13; John 5:28, 29; Acts 24:15; Rev. 20:11-14). Rev. 20:5a is out of place here and appears to be a later insertion. The verse is omitted by various MSS (NA28 Apparatus). Jesus referred to judgment and resurrection “in the last day.” This must refer to the Millennium, which forms part of the Lord’s Day (John 6:44; 12:48; 2 Cor. 15:23-28; Rev. 1:10; cf. 2 Pet. 3:8).
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  How can JW's have a CLUE what the New Covenant is about...

  by BoogerMan in

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  ...when their "slave class" doesn't?.

  it-1 p. 524 covenant - the covenant is forever in operation.... it-1 p. 524 covenant - the purpose of the new covenant requires that it continue in operation until all of the “israel of god” are resurrected to immortality in the heavens.. the new covenant is forever in operation, but only until the "anointed" have popped their clogs, been raptured to heaven, and morphed into 144,000 melchizedek king-priests.

  (just like christ!).

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  Their explanation is seriously flawed. The new covenant is concluded with God's new nation, called the Israel of God (Hebr. 8:8, 9; cf. Jer. 31:31). Now, who is the Israel of God? According to them it's the 144,000. But according to the following scriptures, the 144,000 make up only part of Israel.

  15 For neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision, but a new creation [is something].
  16 And all those who will walk orderly by this rule of conduct, upon them be peace and mercy, even upon the Israel of God. (Gal. 6:15, 16 NWT)

  Everybody must follow this "rule of conduct."

  And I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel, (Rev. 7:4 NWT)

  The 144,000 come from Israel. Who then, is the twelve tribes of Israel? Must be the whole congregation ("church").

  Jesus said to them, Truly I say to YOU, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, YOU who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19:28 NWT)

  They will govern the twelve tribes of Israel. 1) They cannot be Israel and govern over Israel in this instance. 2) The new covenant involves all Israel and not only the 144,000. 3) This is a permanent covenant which will carry on even after the 144,000 have been recalled to heaven.

  Where's Scholar when you need him? I would dearly love to hear his explanation.
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  Booster shots required for Bethelites and special full time servants?

  by PimoElder in

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  it’s a shame the gov body did a big u turn on vaccines .

  if they continue with the rule that only fully vaxed can go back to the hall then i could have stayed on zoom.

  but the term fully vaxed is a moving target, if it’s been like six months since your last shot you are just the same as those of us who are unvaxed .

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  Vidqun

  If you want to see what happens when they role out the boosters, let me know. I will publish a few of those graphs. Here's the NZ graph (nearly fully vaxxed):
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  Booster shots required for Bethelites and special full time servants?

  by PimoElder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it’s a shame the gov body did a big u turn on vaccines .

  if they continue with the rule that only fully vaxed can go back to the hall then i could have stayed on zoom.

  but the term fully vaxed is a moving target, if it’s been like six months since your last shot you are just the same as those of us who are unvaxed .

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  Vidqun

  Australia is an example of an extensively vaxxed country. This is the picture of all fully vaxxed countries (see NZ for similar figures):

  
  

  A comparison between extensively vaxxed Japan and not so fully vaxxed Nigeria:

  https://palexander.substack.com/p/nigeria-versus-japan-as-to-covid?utm_medium=email
  
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  Booster shots required for Bethelites and special full time servants?

  by PimoElder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it’s a shame the gov body did a big u turn on vaccines .

  if they continue with the rule that only fully vaxed can go back to the hall then i could have stayed on zoom.

  but the term fully vaxed is a moving target, if it’s been like six months since your last shot you are just the same as those of us who are unvaxed .

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  Vidqun

  Some of us never had covid (unjabbed) = natural immunity.
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  Booster shots required for Bethelites and special full time servants?

  by PimoElder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it’s a shame the gov body did a big u turn on vaccines .

  if they continue with the rule that only fully vaxed can go back to the hall then i could have stayed on zoom.

  but the term fully vaxed is a moving target, if it’s been like six months since your last shot you are just the same as those of us who are unvaxed .

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  Riley, perhaps you should wake up. Here's some VAERS numbers. There's a European one (EUDRA) and an English one (Yellow Card):

  
  
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  ANTI-DEPRESSANT medication for the last 60 years now proved to be based on poorly supported false theory

  by Terry in

  1. jw
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  "the chemical imbalance theory of depression is still put forward by professionals, and the serotonin theory, in particular, has formed the basis of a considerable research effort over the last few decades.

  the general public widely believes that depression has been convincingly demonstrated to be the result of serotonin or other chemical abnormalities, and this belief shapes how people understand their moods, leading to a pessimistic outlook on the outcome of depression and negative expectancies about the possibility of self-regulation of mood""read: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m92v7hb0njm2mnvnu6nv0kpnkzloe-_k4crh_wphpti/edit?usp=sharing.

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  Here's an interesting video about Tom Cruise and how he criticised ritalin use. Was he right?

  https://twitter.com/i/status/1550483274962800640
  
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  Climate propaganda

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  gotta love jwdotorg as usual regurgitating the financially/politically motivated (and thoroughly disproved) climate change propaganda:.

  https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/ruining-the-earth-bible-meaning-hope/.

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  Vidqun

  It's a bum rap. Perhaps I should add a correction as I understand it: One volcano puts more CO2 in atmosphere than all mankind's efforts for the period of the eruption. And that's all concession you'll get from me. I stick to the rest of my posts.

  So much for "global warming." Many people think more of us are doomed to die from warmer temperatures but a new Lancet study found cold killed 77x more people in Britain & Wales on average annually than heat (60,573 vs 791 deaths) btw 2000- 2019.
  

  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(22)00138-3/fulltext