Wha, sounds like a variant of bird flu, although with most of those you get stomach complaints on top of the flu symptoms. Best you sweat it out. If it is flu then antibiotics won't help. I had a bad one a while back and the pharmacist said I should get over it by myself. As the Flu variants get worse, getting the yearly flu shot is not such a bad idea.
Posts by Vidqun
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34what an evening
by wha happened? injust got out of bed.. i've been feeling a bit flu like since thursday.
no big deal.
yesterday it kicks in full gear.
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Vidqun
I have been booted out of the org. for pointing out those errors. So, Ethos, beware! You're walking on thin ice.
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Badge of honor - for apostasy!
by Vidqun intoday, i have attended my jc meeting, courtesy of three local elders.
all three had their "shepherd"-books on their laps.
i carefully and meticulously proved to them that their interpretation of dan.
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Vidqun
Thank you all for the kind words. There were two young elders and one old one. The chairman, one of the young elders, opened proceedings with a very interesting scripture, immediately shooting himself in the foot. He read 1 John 5:20 (must come from the new "Shepherd"-book): " But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting." I think he wanted to stress the unity part, but then I pounced on the "intellectual capacity"-part. First of all, before the unity comes, one must be able to exercise one's intellectual capacity to distinguish right from wrong (cf. Hebr. 5:12-14). Must say, I enjoyed that.
In conclusion, the old elder ask me: "Where do I go from here?" as though my life has now ended by being kicked out of the congregation. I assured him I will continue my studies and research, as I have always done (I told them they should try it). The one young elder wanted to jump in and say the Internet (they know I get a lot of my information from the Internet). The older elder motioned him to be quiet to his credit. He did ask me and wanted me to answer. So I corrected him by saying that I have computer programs containing libraries of thousands of books, commentaries, translations, dictionaries, etc. So much so that I will not be able to work through them in my lifetime.
Marvin, I did end by saying I am honored to follow in the footsteps of Jesus. He was also maligned, persecuted and labelled as an apostate by his brothers.
Problemaddict, yes, I look after my mother, who is a Witness, but she knows where I stand. She also feels strongly about the paedophile issue because we had a paedophile in our family. The rest of my family members in the truth do not associate with me in any case.
Thanks to you for all the badges. I should ask the elders for my Apostate-diploma so that I can frame it.
Sabastious, I agree. The whole thing smacked of the Roman Inquisition during the Dark Ages. I wanted to tell them, no I don't want to associate with you either. What you have might be contagious, and I don't want any of that.
Billy, the irony is, even if I offered them a bowl of golden apples, they would have rejected it (cf. Prov. 25:11). And what you said of 1914, 1925, 1975, etc. Those are the reasons that I do not want to associate with them. I might get infected by such reasoning, even though it is explicitly stated: "Concerning that day and hour, nobody knows..." (nor the month or year for that matter). Is that blatant disobedience, or what?
Thanks, Satanus, I deserve that badge. Sometimes I can be one of those.
LostGeneration, don't know whether you felt the same, but it is as though a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders. I feel "fooltloose and fancy-free..." Today is the first day of the rest of my life.
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For Ethos: The Basis of Christian Unity
by Londo111 incontinued from: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/241969/3/greetings-from-an-existent-jw.
a repost from re: greetings!
from an existent jw.
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Vidqun
Good thoughts Londo. Today is a landmark for me. I have been lovingly df'd from the congregation after thirty years of service. The charge: Apostasy. Because my interpretation of prophecies differ from the GB = FDS, not because of right or wrong. I shall wear my badge of Apostasy with honor.
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Badge of honor - for apostasy!
by Vidqun intoday, i have attended my jc meeting, courtesy of three local elders.
all three had their "shepherd"-books on their laps.
i carefully and meticulously proved to them that their interpretation of dan.
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Vidqun
Today, I have attended my JC meeting, courtesy of three local elders. All three had their "Shepherd"-books on their laps. I carefully and meticulously proved to them that their interpretation of Dan. 12:6, 7 and Rev. 11:7-10 are wrong. We touched upon different topics, e.g., the UN, OSCE, the protection of pedophiles, etc., things I feel strongly about.
After discussing these in depth, their reaction was predictable. If you do not believe in the interpretation of the FDS = GB (right or wrong), you are an apostate. To protect the congregation you must be df'ed from the congregation. By the way, they have not heard of the new light of the FDS = GB. They became very irritated every time I brought it up.
They were kind enough to allow me 7 days to appeal their findings. If I do not appeal, they would announce their verdict to the congregation. I assured them that I would not be interested. They inferred that if I start attending meetings again, that would show repentance and that I would be welcomed back to the congregation. But I told them that would be unlikely, as I do not expect great changes in the org. in the forseeable future. As things stand now, I won't be interested.
I am ashamed to admit that I spent thirty years with the cult. Now I am wide awake. In confirmation, I have received my Apostate Badge of honor, at long last. Now I can really sympathize with many of you. It is a slap in the face, but I believe it's worth it. One must be true to one's beliefs, no matter what.
Congrats are in order.
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Annual meeting. Greek scholars please help!
by DATA-DOG inbelow is a statement from gb member gerrit losch.
notice what is said about the fds.
is this true?
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Thanks HB, I have lost track of their interpretations. The fact that they want to fall back to 1914 is most certainly wrong. The same goes for their generation-teaching. Matt. 24:21 mentions the "great tribulation," and then comes the generation that will not pass away (v. 34). So this generation has to do with the great tribulation, not 1914.
They also admit that the judgment of the sheep and the goats will only occur right at the end when Jesus comes to judge humanity. The parables of the virgins and the talents should be viewed within this context. Nothing to do with 1914.
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What do you think of drawings like these?
by DeWandelaar ina long time ago the jw's published a book called "humans in search of god" (translation of the dutch version so i am sorry if the title is not totally correct).
i always remembered one sick drawing in it and it always made me wonder how this drawing could be used in one of their books.. .
warning: can be shocking to people who never saw it before!.
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Vidqun
I use the argument that goes with the pic. Would you stay in a religion that did such things? Now put a twist to it: Would you remain in a religious organization that sacrifices its children? Yes, neither would I....
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Beginning of the Creation of God
by FutureAndAHope inwhere talking of jesus the king james version says:.
... the beginning of the creation of god rev 3:14this can be confusing because it sounds like jesus was the first created being.
but as we will see this is not the case.
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Vidqun
The first cause, the beginning (philos. t.t. ODittrich, D. Systeme d. Moral I 1923, 360a, 369a;—Ael. Aristid. 43, 9 K.=1 p. 3 D.; Jos., C. Ap. 2, 190 God [contrast SIG 1125, 10f]) of Christ Rv 3:14; but the mng. beginning=‘first created’ is linguistically probable (s. above 1b and Job 40:19; also CBurney, Christ as the ’arkhei of Creation: JTS 27, 1926, 160-77). Cf. BDAG. It also means “beginning.” So, I am afraid this one can swing either way, depending on your understanding (of the rest of the Scriptures) and beliefs.
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Annual meeting. Greek scholars please help!
by DATA-DOG inbelow is a statement from gb member gerrit losch.
notice what is said about the fds.
is this true?
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Vidqun
I see it as you do Phizzy. The dictionary says the evil slave is hypothetical, if and when the good slave turns bad. But I'm sure the Watchtower will insist that the bad slave is Christendom. This is their interpretation of the five sleepy virgins and the talents parable of Matt. 25.
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Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?
by Christ Alone ini just wanted to take a survey.
let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.
just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".
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Vidqun
Believer (until proved otherwise).