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  Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

  by cofty in

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  arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

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  Vidqun

  Yes, that would be a form of spontaneous generation, an absolute miracle!
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  Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

  by cofty in

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  arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

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  Vidqun

  Any other suggestions? Yes, I know, it occurred by accident many millions of years ago. The process kept on improving itself, migrating from one-celled organisms to multi-celled organisms. Don't worry about it. Asked and answered.
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  Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

  by cofty in

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  arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

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  Vidqun

  You don't like George's quote. Try Henri's quote. To demonstrate, read this article:

  http://phys.org/news/2016-01-scientists-algorithm-dna-faster-accurately.html

  Scientist needs to decipher and isolate DNA and gene sequences with algorithms, meaning DNA was constructed by means of algorithms. As far as I know, algorithms fall under the general heading Mathematics.
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  Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

  by cofty in

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  arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

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  Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

  by cofty in

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  arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

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  Vidqun

  He certainly takes the long way round to make his point. The two following quotes are short and to the point:

  
  
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  Hello

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  i've been lurking here for a while, but i figured i should say hello and introduce myself.

  i haven't been attending the meetings for a couple months now and i'm a graduate pharmacist.

  i look forward to getting to know people.

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  Vidqun

  Welcome, AceInhibitor. My father, a fervent anti-Witness, insisted I finish my studies. Today I am very thankful that he did. That was always my excuse when questioned: "My father made me do it." I wish I could have thanked him for allowing me to develop my brain.
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  I believe in Evolution and that God created life

  by Crabby in

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  anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

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  Vidqun

  JRK, I know, hard to reach sometimes. Why don't you ask somebody to scratch it for you?

  Cofty, seriously, spontaneous generation? Come on....
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  I believe in Evolution and that God created life

  by Crabby in

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  anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

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  Vidqun

  You know Cofty, there’s a huge irony in all of this. One day you’re going to tell me: “Yes, Prof. So-and-so and Dr. So-and-so have have discovered the recipe for life. They have cobbled together the necessary ingredients and created life.” An yes, you can guess what my reaction would be: “That’s wonderful. So, Prof. So-and-so and Dr. So-and-so have at last succeeded in creating life in the lab. See, you need a creator to create life.” I know, I know, circular reasoning at its best. But don’t worry, time will tell. Of that I am certain. Hopefully these breakthroughs will come in our lifetime so that you can throw down the gauntlet yet again, and in my case (as a minority), running the gauntlet.
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  I believe in Evolution and that God created life

  by Crabby in

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  anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

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  Vidqun

  Cofty, for one, hydrothemal vents are very inhospitable places, perhaps some of the most inhospitable places on earth. I don't see anything developing from there. But I'll humor you. Lets say life did develop from these hydrothermal vents. Then we will be able to solve this enigma quite easily. A hydrothermal vent with all its chemical components (devoid of living organisms) could then be replicated in a laboratory environment.

  But I guarantee a similar result as with the "primordial soup" experiments. After manipulating their soupy concoction in all kinds of ways, they would send lightning bolts through it. However, it remained dead. They were successful in synthesizing interesting chemicals, including aminoacids, but that is still a long way from living cells.

  So what you are actually saying: With the heat energy from the hydrothermal vents, rocks, and seawater, amino acids and nucleotides would self-assemble. These would organize themselves into even more ordered molecules such as enzymes and proteins. From these the evolution process would build the first cells, and eventually redwoods and roses, honeybees and apple trees, hyenas and humans. Nope, I cannot go along with such a theory, even if you decorate it with rosy prose or complicated scientific jargon. As Pink Floyd said: "The pie in the sky is just too high."
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  I believe in Evolution and that God created life

  by Crabby in

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  anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

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  Vidqun: So let me get this straight. DNA/RNA is not an information system and DNA doesn't qualify as code.
  Viv: Right.

  So, DNA/RNA complex is not an information system. DNA code does not qualify as “information.” Is that right? Follow with me:
  

  Ribonucleic acid, or RNA is one of the three major biological macromolecules that are essential for all known forms of life (along with DNA and proteins). A central tenet of molecular biology states that the flow of genetic information in a cell is from DNA through RNA to proteins: “DNA makes RNA makes protein”. Proteins are the workhorses of the cell; they play leading roles in the cell as enzymes, as structural components, and in cell signaling, to name just a few. DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) is considered the “blueprint” of the cell; it carries all of the genetic information required for the cell to grow, to take in nutrients, and to propagate. RNA–in this role–is the “DNA photocopy” of the cell. When the cell needs to produce a certain protein, it activates the protein’s gene–the portion of DNA that codes for that protein–and produces multiple copies of that piece of DNA in the form of messenger RNA, or mRNA. The multiple copies of mRNA are then used to translate the genetic code into protein through the action of the cell’s protein manufacturing machinery, the ribosomes. Thus, RNA expands the quantity of a given protein that can be made at one time from one given gene, and it provides an important control point for regulating when and how much protein gets made. For many years RNA was believed to have only three major roles in the cell–as a DNA photocopy (mRNA), as a coupler between the genetic code and the protein building blocks (tRNA), and as a structural component of ribosomes (rRNA). In recent years, however, we have begun to realize that the roles adopted by RNA are much broader and much more interesting. We now know that RNA can also act as enzymes (called ribozomes) to speed chemical reactions. In a number of clinically important viruses RNA, rather than DNA, carries the viral genetic information. RNA also plays an important role in regulating cellular processes–from cell division, differentiation and growth to cell aging and death. Defects in certain RNAs or the regulation of RNAs have been implicated in a number of important human diseases, including heart disease, some cancers, stroke and many others (cursive script added).

  The RNA Society

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  From the above I discern some serious information flows back and forth. So it's not only one way traffic, the information flows both ways. Think of it as a factory. The sender of the information, the CEO, is the DNA, right? Next, we have the transcription process with the m-RNA, the workhorse. The first recipient benefitting from this process would be the cell because of the manufacture of structural proteins, amongst other things. The second recipient, benefitting from the information, would be the organism that are kept alive by these processes. To sum up: Genetic information is locked up in the nucleus. This is unlocked and transcribed by RNA, which in turn is responsible for the manufacture of proteins for a specific purpose (e.g., hormones). These are passed from the cell to the organism. If something goes wrong with these processes, the organism dies. The factory goes out of business.

  Vidqun: It developed spontaneously, by itself, from basic elements in solid and liquid form.
  Viv: Wrong.

  Would you care to elaborate. How do you think DNA developed? By accident? Perhaps a better answer would be, I don´t know.

  Viv, "it" is a mystery. I would love to know what "it" is, then I might also be able to understand the concept of evolution. No, jokes aside, “it” is referring to DNA. I thought that was obvious. Anyway, according to Cofty it's electrons driving the production and function of DNA and RNA. I call those "super intelligent" electrons. What would you call them?

  
  

  Orphan Crow, what happened here was a huge experiment. A lot of life forms have come and gone. All in preparation for the crown of creation, man, which was a massive failure in the end. The human race cannot even work out their origin. They came up with the theory of evolution to avoid taking responsibility for their actions. I would venture a guess that God would have been very disappointed. That's why he said the following:

  "The nations were enraged, but your wrath has come, and the time has come for the dead to be judged, and the time has come to give to your servants, the prophets, their reward, as well as to the saints and to those who revere your name, both small and great, and the time has come to destroy those who destroy the earth." (Rev. 11:18 NET)