An alternative explanation: I interpret it literally. I believe the arrival of the two witnesses lies in the future. Their public ministry is to last three and a half years. Under no circumstances should one follow them around. There are indications that that could be a dangerous pursuit. Eventually they are to be killed. Their message will make them very unpopular with the authorities. Also, they will be able to work miracles (Rev. 11:3-8). This might be confused with the return of the Christ. Matthew (24:23-27) therefore warns not to chase after such sightings. It could cost you your life (cf. Luke 17:22, 23).
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by enoughisenough ini was thinking about the scriptures at matt 24:23-26 .
the time period does appear to be during great tribulation...anyway, it is telling us not to believe it when people are telling us christ is in the wilderness or in his inner rooms.
it would be false christs and false prophets promoting this.
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Could the WT org. Be in on the "great reset"?
by nowwhat? inthe org.
was all too willing to emphasize to the government - especially the left that they very obedient to the calls for mask, vaccine, and lockdown mandates.
those that know about the great reset know what i'm talking about.
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The Watchtower did join the UN as an NGO, contrary to their teachings, even if it was only for a few years.
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Smoking gun GB can’t get out of this one
by Mikejw inhere in 2022 if anyone says anything against the vaccines even a little bit you are almost apostate.. someone once mentioned all vaccinated sports stars collapsing and someone else said not to speak badly about the gb or by extension jehovah.. the gb can’t get out of this one, it’s gone too far.
it’s now the case that if you speak against the vaccines you are speaking against the gb and by extension jehovah .
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Jan, unfortunately the data and graphs don't lie. I am sure you didn't watch the video. Don't blame you. It's downright depressing.
Can you trust the NHS? Ask those that were infected with tainted blood in the seventies and eighties. The survivors are being paid out only now. Anna Marina, if anyone knows about the huge British stocks of Midazolam used up during the endemic, it would be you. Do tell.
The British used the euthansia method. Como of New York sent the Covid patients back to the Old Age Homes. Different method, same outcome.
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Smoking gun GB can’t get out of this one
by Mikejw inhere in 2022 if anyone says anything against the vaccines even a little bit you are almost apostate.. someone once mentioned all vaccinated sports stars collapsing and someone else said not to speak badly about the gb or by extension jehovah.. the gb can’t get out of this one, it’s gone too far.
it’s now the case that if you speak against the vaccines you are speaking against the gb and by extension jehovah .
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https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/409269/data-suggests-sudden-adult-death-syndrome-due-to-vaccines/
What could be the reason? No, don't ask your doctor. He/she is most likely susidized by Pfizer. Ask your local undertaker:
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Smoking gun GB can’t get out of this one
by Mikejw inhere in 2022 if anyone says anything against the vaccines even a little bit you are almost apostate.. someone once mentioned all vaccinated sports stars collapsing and someone else said not to speak badly about the gb or by extension jehovah.. the gb can’t get out of this one, it’s gone too far.
it’s now the case that if you speak against the vaccines you are speaking against the gb and by extension jehovah .
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All-cause mortality rates. Guess whose dying off the most.
https://excessburden.substack.com/p/ons-data-update-6-july-2022
It's an epidemic of coincidences.
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Smoking gun GB can’t get out of this one
by Mikejw inhere in 2022 if anyone says anything against the vaccines even a little bit you are almost apostate.. someone once mentioned all vaccinated sports stars collapsing and someone else said not to speak badly about the gb or by extension jehovah.. the gb can’t get out of this one, it’s gone too far.
it’s now the case that if you speak against the vaccines you are speaking against the gb and by extension jehovah .
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Here's a video documenting some of the deaths. Warning: Quite depressing.
https://rumble.com/v1dvc6n-1000-athletes-collapsing-dying-heart-problems-blood-clots-march-2021-to-jun.html
Here's a list of Olympians that have recently died (till May 2022):
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the sounding of the trumpet
by enoughisenough ini will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
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Enoughisenough, don’t know whether this will help. According to this German dictionary, John’s resurrection and Matthew’s judgment is not the same thing. The context differs. Bottom line, the Society's 1914 beliefs do not make sense. Jesus will only start his 1000 year reign when Satan is bound (Rev. 20:3, 4):
Resurrection (John)
"The juxtaposition of "resurrection to life" and "resurrection to judgment" in John 5:29 speaks of the eschatological resurrection of all who are in the grave and the eschatological judgment by the Son of Man. Since there is a certain tension between this and the realized eschatology asserted in vv. 24f., it is often judged to be an interpolation (by the author or a redactor). However, future eschatology is to be found also in the speech about bread in John 6 (also in interpolations?) where ἀνίστημι (used trans.) clearly denotes Jesus as the originator of eschatological resurrection: "I will raise him up at the last day" (6:40, 44, 54, cf. v. 39). In 11:24 Martha understands Jesus' promise of resurrection for Lazarus in an eschatological sense: "he will rise again in the resurrection [figura etymologica] at the last day." Jesus corrects this hope by referring to himself as "the resurrection and the life" (v. 25); i.e., in Johannine language, he is in his own person the cause and embodiment of what is hoped for in the form of resurrection and а ζωή. Whoever believes in him has a share in it now already and, indeed, forever."
Judgment (Matthew)
Difference here is that those in Tyre, Sidon, Nineveh, Sodom and the Queen of Sheba were ignorant, whereas the religious leaders were not.
"Jesus' statements regarding those who refuse his message of salvation speak of the eschatological judgment ("the day of judgment"). Such people have a greater responsibility than the prototypical places of sin and Gentile cities (Sodom, etc.) and than the queen of the South (Matt 10:15; 11:22 par. Luke 10:14; Matt 11:24; 12:41, 42 par. Luke 11:31, 32)." See EDNT.
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the sounding of the trumpet
by enoughisenough ini will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
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Enoughisenough, good question. In the end each one must examine the evidence and decide for himself. Hopefully we'll soon find out. Here's the relevant scriptures:
Set day, man appointed to judge: Acts 17:31 = 1000 years (Rev. 20:3, 4) Kings/priests to judge 1000 years.
Judgment Day: Matt. 10:15; 11:22; 11:24; 12:36 = 1000 years (?)
Each to render an account: Rom 14:12 (Rev. 20:12, 13) (?)
Resurrect him in the last day: John 6:39, 40, 44, 54; 7:37; 11:24; 12:48 = 1000 years (?)
Note, "judgment day" occurs only in Matthew, each time in a similar context. John uses the "last day," also in the same context. Only one I am sure of, is the first, Acts 17:31. This fits in with Rev. 20:3, 4. Really not sure about the rest. Daniel will be resurrected "at the end of days," when our history stops and the new history begins, probably at the beginning of the 1000 years (Dan. 12:13).
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the sounding of the trumpet
by enoughisenough ini will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
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What might solve your problem is if there are two resurrections. Here's my understanding of the resurrection:
1) First resurrection: The first resurrection, also referred to as the “earlier resurrection” (cf. Phil. 3:10, 11 Roth), is an important chronological marker (1 Cor. 15:51-53; 1 Thes. 4:15-17; Rev. 6:11; 11:1, 14, 15, 18; 20:4-6). It will be initiated in the time of the seventh and last trumpet (Rev. 11:15, 18). Next in line are the two witnesses who are publically resurrected (Rev. 9:11; 11:3, 11, 12). Last group is to be caught up in the air during Jesus’ Second Coming. They will have no advantage over those resurrected earlier. Although the time frame for their ascent will differ, they will receive the same reward (Matt. 24:29-31; 1 Thes. 4:15-17 CSBO).
2) Second resurrection: This is to take place during the Millennium (Dan. 12:13; John 5:28, 29; Acts 24:15; Rev. 20:11-14). Rev. 20:5a is out of place here and appears to be a later insertion. The verse is omitted by various MSS (NA28 Apparatus). Jesus referred to judgment and resurrection “in the last day.” This must refer to the Millennium, which forms part of the Lord’s Day (John 6:44; 12:48; 2 Cor. 15:23-28; Rev. 1:10; cf. 2 Pet. 3:8). -
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How can JW's have a CLUE what the New Covenant is about...
by BoogerMan in...when their "slave class" doesn't?.
it-1 p. 524 covenant - the covenant is forever in operation.... it-1 p. 524 covenant - the purpose of the new covenant requires that it continue in operation until all of the “israel of god” are resurrected to immortality in the heavens.. the new covenant is forever in operation, but only until the "anointed" have popped their clogs, been raptured to heaven, and morphed into 144,000 melchizedek king-priests.
(just like christ!).
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Their explanation is seriously flawed. The new covenant is concluded with God's new nation, called the Israel of God (Hebr. 8:8, 9; cf. Jer. 31:31). Now, who is the Israel of God? According to them it's the 144,000. But according to the following scriptures, the 144,000 make up only part of Israel.
15 For neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision, but a new creation [is something].
16 And all those who will walk orderly by this rule of conduct, upon them be peace and mercy, even upon the Israel of God. (Gal. 6:15, 16 NWT)Everybody must follow this "rule of conduct."
And I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel, (Rev. 7:4 NWT)
The 144,000 come from Israel. Who then, is the twelve tribes of Israel? Must be the whole congregation ("church").
Jesus said to them, Truly I say to YOU, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, YOU who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19:28 NWT)
They will govern the twelve tribes of Israel. 1) They cannot be Israel and govern over Israel in this instance. 2) The new covenant involves all Israel and not only the 144,000. 3) This is a permanent covenant which will carry on even after the 144,000 have been recalled to heaven.
Where's Scholar when you need him? I would dearly love to hear his explanation.