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  Are ex-jw's or "apostates" addicted to jw-bashing?

  by booker-t in

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  this might seem like a funny question to ask but my mom told me that "apostates" are addicted to jw-bashing and cannot let it go and have a life.

  i asked her what she meant by this statement and she told me that all ex-jw's talk about is the wts and jw's and negative things about the jw's.

  she said that we get up thinking about jw-bashing and go to sleep thinking about jw-bashing just like a drug addict.

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  "dancing girls"?

  that's my favorite past time, girls call me the "teacher" now.. i did not have time for that as a jw, so i am happier now.

  It is my turn for bash.. jw girls dont know how to dance, most of them are terrible at that.
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  Even stranger than drunken Noah - why did angels want sex with women?

  by eyeslice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a sort of parallel thread to the drunken noah thread.

  the genesis account of angels 'materialising' and having sex with women always worried me as a witness.

  in all animals, man included, the sex drive is hormonal.

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  There is no way I would find a female chimp attractive, no matter how good looking she was in her world!.

  ROFL

  Why not the other way round? Surely there must have been good looking men they could have materialised as women for.

  ROFL again

  No way - it doesn't make sense. Sex drive is physical, angels are spirit - no hormones = no sex drive.

  Eyeslice

  I dont buy that, find another argument please, i for one have no wings but i wish i could fly as birds, in fact every so often a dream i can doit... beside some humans turn into animals and behave as such when actually they/we are "designed" to behave as humans...

  Besides non of us are/were angels to tell the difference.

  Fair,

  I retain some memories of my angelic pre-earthly

  Tell us more, cant" you? what ever happened to your hard drive data/stories storage capacity and flash 'memories'?, WHY was it mostly all deleted as you became human? how can you make any progress that way?
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  Are ex-jw's or "apostates" addicted to jw-bashing?

  by booker-t in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this might seem like a funny question to ask but my mom told me that "apostates" are addicted to jw-bashing and cannot let it go and have a life.

  i asked her what she meant by this statement and she told me that all ex-jw's talk about is the wts and jw's and negative things about the jw's.

  she said that we get up thinking about jw-bashing and go to sleep thinking about jw-bashing just like a drug addict.

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  One, I think you're preaching in the wrong pulpit. Want to find some sour, negative, bitter nasty people, go to any kingdom hall and you will find a number.

  I dont want to "find" i am just stating what professionals in the subject consider is not good for our health, wheter is being practiced on this boar or not. But i think in this thread some admitted to be doing it.

  You have been very interested in the topic but since you are a happy person it may not apply to you

  and i have no idea about your (nor anyonelse) "history' posting on this board, even if i do is not my business to point to individuals, my comments are usually general in nature and do not take into account who is on the other side, if you notice otherwise let me know please..

  Each indiviual knows his attitude wheter we openly recognize or not..If we don't realize what our real attitude is (which is not uncommon) after discussing the matter. that's a red flag.

  I can not see all members of the "pulpit" nor inner fellings ot the ones i see. .

  Who knows who might be part of the "pulpit" listening but not respoding it could be a member of the JW .religion that needs to hear the "preaching".as you mentioned.

  On the other hand being happy or happier does not mean there is no room to improve. One the reasons, probably the MAJOR reason for becoming happier after leaving the jw r is that jw activity is a boring routine, routine takes good feelings way.from you, that is why people take vacations from work etc.

  xjw have more time, freedom for thing that interest them, but bashing should not be one of those "things" for the reasons already mentioned.in many past posts.
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  Are ex-jw's or "apostates" addicted to jw-bashing?

  by booker-t in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this might seem like a funny question to ask but my mom told me that "apostates" are addicted to jw-bashing and cannot let it go and have a life.

  i asked her what she meant by this statement and she told me that all ex-jw's talk about is the wts and jw's and negative things about the jw's.

  she said that we get up thinking about jw-bashing and go to sleep thinking about jw-bashing just like a drug addict.

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  listen to this one now

  I could not understand but I observed several people for many years, they were always whinin about something, even in the way they were raised etc etc,

  well most of them are on medication now..., i feel sorry for them

  i remember telling one of them to leave my house and do not visit me until she stop whinin and blaming...

  it went from bad to worst, more than a decade later i had to arrange and spend several thounsand dollars to make sure the person received professional help...
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  Are ex-jw's or "apostates" addicted to jw-bashing?

  by booker-t in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this might seem like a funny question to ask but my mom told me that "apostates" are addicted to jw-bashing and cannot let it go and have a life.

  i asked her what she meant by this statement and she told me that all ex-jw's talk about is the wts and jw's and negative things about the jw's.

  she said that we get up thinking about jw-bashing and go to sleep thinking about jw-bashing just like a drug addict.

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  Steve2

  Who are you speaking for? Children raised in the religion who were born into an environment that rewards conformity and punishes self-initiative?

  NO. But even before the "children" becomes of legal age they can do something about it. Sooner or later it is THEIR responsability to validate whatever she/he learned.

  And when you say the person is not balanced, who legitimised that imbalance in the first place? People in positions of power over the individual!

  A person that after so many years is still CONTINUOSLY "bashing", about ANYthing, is not considered balanced, we can ask a professional for clarification... a true and ethical professionals will always tell us to stop whinin and get a life for OUR own benefit

  Even if a person has in some way contributed to the problem

  - and I concede you may have a really good point there - does that mean the individual cannot attempt to bring some balance back into his or her life by speaking out against the religious practices that increase the person's vulnerability to traumatic stress? Like you, I too have been there, done that!

  speak out? Sure why not, again balance is the word,

  Regarding my comment about some ex-JWs being fortunate enough to have supportive families:

  This is a protective factor and may actually help the individual come to terms more quickly with what they have been through.

  I agree, in my previous reply i insinuated that that if you think my opinion or attitude is due to having had such support, it is not true, it was totally in the other direction, my departure from the religion even caused a divorce. I could write a book thicker than... .

  Flying,

  What is really is going on is a lot of people who were hurt are telling about it: warning others about the danger.

  If that is what is "going on" fine.

  And how do you know the severity of what any of us have been through? Some of us have not posted our whole stories. Are you going to tell parents whose child has died, from bleeding to death, to stop their whining?

  "Severity"?

  it can be taken into account but eventually it does not justify acting in a counterproductive manner.

  ""stop"?

  yes they should..sooner or later and concentrate on what to do about it.

  I think you hope that all of us are making progress on our journey to healing. Well, talking about it helps us. Warning others helps us. Finding humor, even dark humor in our experience makes us laugh. Laughter can be very healing.

  yes i "hope" and if whatever we are doing help to tone down negative feelings it is ok, if not, then professionals will advise to review what we are doing, for our own benefit
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  Did you gain any good character traits as a result of being a dub?

  by beebee in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've never been a dub but i've been lurking around here on an off for about a year.

  i came here to gain insight into my guy and it's been quite an eye-opening education.

  thanks to all of you for all i have learned.

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  No. The good character traits are either inborn or they're non-existent.

  are you serious?
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  Are ex-jw's or "apostates" addicted to jw-bashing?

  by booker-t in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this might seem like a funny question to ask but my mom told me that "apostates" are addicted to jw-bashing and cannot let it go and have a life.

  i asked her what she meant by this statement and she told me that all ex-jw's talk about is the wts and jw's and negative things about the jw's.

  she said that we get up thinking about jw-bashing and go to sleep thinking about jw-bashing just like a drug addict.

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  out,

  "broad brushstrokes

  and i was waiting for you to quote from my posts to prove your point, it will HELP me understand your point.

  You are incessantly BASHING

  if you think so, i am bashing myself too, i have been using "we", "us" more often

  BTW I found it

  bash, http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bash

  1. To strike with a heavy, crushing blow: The thug bashed the hood of the car with a sledgehammer.
  2. To beat or assault severely: The police arrested the men who bashed an immigrant in the park.
  3. Informal. To criticize (another) harshly, accusatorially, and threateningly: ?He bashed the... government unmercifully over the... spy affair? (Lally Weymouth).

  v. intr. Informal

  To engage in harsh, accusatory, threatening criticism.
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  My Elder Friend Got Announced As Being Deleted.....

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for going to my kid's wedding.

  he was told he was not "serious", had no "self-control" and "did not work well with the body".

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  it is them vs us mentality, .jw vs false religion or if you are not wiht us you are against us.

  have mercy they dont know what they are doing

  think about you having a prominent position in the Republican party and then Bush see you in video tape having fun and celebrating with Bin Laden, or even at a Democrat party party.

  no amount of excuses will change their mind.
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  Did you gain any good character traits as a result of being a dub?

  by beebee in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've never been a dub but i've been lurking around here on an off for about a year.

  i came here to gain insight into my guy and it's been quite an eye-opening education.

  thanks to all of you for all i have learned.

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  i dont know today but there was a time when employers had the door always open for jw

  and could spot a jw a a distance... not even talking to the person and not neccesarily by the clothing
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  Are ex-jw's or "apostates" addicted to jw-bashing?

  by booker-t in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this might seem like a funny question to ask but my mom told me that "apostates" are addicted to jw-bashing and cannot let it go and have a life.

  i asked her what she meant by this statement and she told me that all ex-jw's talk about is the wts and jw's and negative things about the jw's.

  she said that we get up thinking about jw-bashing and go to sleep thinking about jw-bashing just like a drug addict.

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  I suppose if you are fortunate enough to still have a loving and supportive family and access to resources to help yourself heal,

  family? what family?

  resources? same as eveyone has here, internet.

  Maybe the mistake is stereotyping people and assuming we know their reasons for what they do, when all we're doing is guessing.

  We dont have to exactly know the "reasons", the point is the person is not balanced. AND whatever created the hurting situation, surely in MOST cases the indiviudal was part of the problem not just merely a powerless victim. Been there done that, more than once

  On the other hand, are the JWs continually bashing the flock - Over meeting attendance, field service, blood etc?

  just because they do it, it means it is appropriate or even good or neutral for our mental and physical health to do the same.

  AND like i have said before it is the cycle that has to be broken at some point. A initial amount of bash can be understood.

  The longer it takes the louder it speaks about our so call higher capacity and ability to scape, (did we really scape, or just changed position?)

  many witnesses are having a hard time with abusive mates, mental and physical health problems - the list goes on

  What is the point? as long as we live in this planet THAT is going to happen to anyone we know jw are not perfect and reason for leaving, they presented and WE pretended an eutopia. It SOUNDED good but lets get real and do our home work before jumping into anything else.

  BTW once we are not under obligation to obey parents we could do our "home" work as deep and extensive as we can (could we?)

  To what extent did we do our home work regarding jw before joining or after let's say we reached legal age.

  Are we wiling to present a Harvard Diploma, with our name on it, to a prospective employer, even if legal, when we have not studied.

  I bet most of us did not read the bible completly before we went knocking doors shouting we were MINISTERS and jw trying to TEACH others

  then how could we know if jw were right?, if they lied we beleived the lie, so...

  to give an example most jw i met could not explain "2520", then they walk out saying FDS is bs, this and that, most of us not even attempted to figure out the central doctrine of jw, what THAT tells about us?

  Out,

  You mention about how "bashing" is a negative action. Perhaps you should begin to look at it from a more positive angle yourself. Why not encourage people to get their justified anger out in as neutral way as possible and also encourage them to build on creating a new, happier self.

  Read ALL my previous post above, one them says: "you can still talk about the jw but in a "upbuilding" manner, in a way to get some value out of it."

  Read the last two post on page 1 and the second post on page 2 and so on.

  actually this very same post is to show ("encourage") that we need to be carefull when we decide anything, not to have to blame others in the future...

  But if someone criticizes them they say "get a life."

  
  At this point it is not what "they" (jw) say or do but what we here say or do.

  In fact most of us are out because "we" think we know better than jw, but

  CONTIUED bash does not show any difference between jw and us,."we"