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Awake = college education?

by seattleniceguy in

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we've all heard the jw claim that a lifetime spent reading the awake!

magazine is equivalent to a college education.

is this really true?

one

I think the referencce was regarding to wt lieterature in general and not just awake.

now with the internet you can forget about wt "literature" for all practical purposes but

decades ago it was a cheap and convinient source of information reaching disadvantage groups that was not availble to most people, specially in many parts of the world. Magazines 5 cents an issue, books 25 and 50 cents, to the public..

it did provide a rounded knowledge that could eventually set people apart in many ways

college education is directed mainly in one particular norrow field and does not prepare individuals to become "educated" and organized citizenz.

Most people go to college to get a job or start a business eventually. In the work place and businees world attitude and social skill may count more than specilized knowledge which is always being changed or updated, a manager can temporaly hire an 'specialist' anyway to solve difficult task.

one problen with wt magaznies and books, the "information" did not follow a topic or subject fron beginin to end in one issue it, so it took many years for a jw to become "educated".

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The wtbts and broadcast vs the real truth on narrowcast

by A Paduan in

a central (if not the) pillar of the wtbts mission is to cast broadly.

it reminds me of those commercial broadcasts (some talkback etc) that become streams of collective and self-encouraging biggotry - kind of like vaccum cleaners that recycle the air and collect the dirt while making a lot of noise - doing a 'good' job.

but the whistleblowing enlightened are only narrowcasting - what's with this?

one

Any reasonable person having an interest in the jw religion will find a way to search the INTERNET about it.

If she/he doesn't, i would seay that's negligence and most likely she/he does not search about anything, taking things as served.

Anyone being inside the jw religion for at least five years should have more than one reason to do some searching.

How do consider anyone who join (or stay) any religion or organization before searching the INTERNET about it?.

Even a NARROW-band dial up connection to the internet will do it.

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pRE-FLOOD PEOPLE were techologically advanced!

by badboy in

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they had batteries in india, so i am told by a jw(i think it was iraq,actually!

),they have discovered all kinds of objects, suggesting that pre-flood people were almost as advanced as modern people.. look at the turin shroud,they certainly have printing?

(or whatever) to produce it!.

one

yeah, i heard the babel tower was in part to place on top of it anntenas for tv, radio and cellular communications.

The rest was for excutive offices, you know like the world trade center... but the arabs did not like it and asked ala to do something about

But then they saw how convinient it could be and tried themselves at Egyp later on, changing the shape not infring exclusive copyrights...

So advanced that they teached an snake and a Ass how to talk, parrots are still learning...

What's more they invented the wheel by just watching the moon and an orange rolling down hill

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? about GLOBAL FLOOD if ARK FOUND

by one in

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friends

any expert or geologist wanabe in this forum that can relate the recent tsunami to the above question?

take into consideration what i mentioned in a previous topic

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/83981/1.ashx

one

Heathen,

I do agree tho that for ararat to be covered in water would take a global deluge as described in the bible

Why?

Ararat mountain on this earth/globe, is like comparing a "200 micrometers grain of salt", i mentioned before, next to a basket-ball.

Ararat is insignificant in size compare to earth., probably nothing could grow too tall on earth anyway, earth movement wont permit it.

Physics and gravity tell us that nothing of reasonable weight can be attached to a ball without disturbing its "natural" movements and smoth rotations.

Back to the subject , why do you think that in order to cover such mountain with water everything else on earth has to be covered by water also?

There are some scientists stating it's entirely possible for the arc to have carried as many animals as mentioned in the bible . The dimensions as stated by the WTBTS are equivalent to what we use today as super tankers .1 cubit = 1.45 ft. That's a pretty big ship .

how many animals are we talking about?,

how much floor space is required to keep those animal (and food) that much time ( a year?) in such a boat cruise?

I am too busy and lazy (what's new) to find out at this time, that is why i am mainly asking question.in this thread.

the answers most likely are probably somewhere in this board, or somewherelse in cyberspace.

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Do you still Patronize Women?

by limbo in

i was thinking today about how jehovah's witnesses are conditioned to view women.

i'm sure there have been many threads and discussions on this subject.

just curious how you view women now that you are no longer a jw?

one

All i know is that in a family everyone has privileges and responsabilities AND not all can share the same privilege (nor the responsability) of having the final word. Can they?

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'This Generation'

by fairchild in

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yes, again... after reading numerous posts on this site and doing some research on my own, i have a strong feeling that my whole belief will soon stand or fall with the understanding of 'this generation'.. matthew 24:3 .."tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?".

matthew 24:7 for nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.. matthew 24:34 truly i say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.. .

generation:noun: group of genetically related organisms constituting a single step in the line of descent noun: the normal time between successive generations example: "they had to wait a generation for that prejudice to fade".

one

Fair,

I have decided to stop my study and to stop going to the meetings.

You can wait until you get the whole picture.

but have to admit that many of the JW I know ARE happy.

i beleive you

You probably think that we do a JW a favor by telling them 'the truth',

i dont neccesarily think so

Something tells me that I will find the true God amongst the many bits of information on this site before I find it in the worship book.

But you dont HAVE to tell jw about the truth when you finally find it, specially if you dont want to loose your good jw friends real fast.

You dont go around telling children that Santa does not exist. Even if they ask you, it may seem apropriate to change the subject.. Sooner or later they will find out...

As long as you dont complaint and you are willing to keep by their rules for the sake of peace and "friendship" it may be ok to be a jw

ALL human org or groups have rules written or tacit, many faults and dishonest members.

Most religions i have known are economic enterprises, have a single powerfull local "leader" who lives like a rich, beleive stupid doctrines etc etc what's new? if i HAVE to make a decision i would rather be a jw. .

In fact most "learned" xjw never join any other religion, ask them why?

They know too much, they are usully happy but missing an eutopia..

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? about GLOBAL FLOOD if ARK FOUND

by one in

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friends

any expert or geologist wanabe in this forum that can relate the recent tsunami to the above question?

take into consideration what i mentioned in a previous topic

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/83981/1.ashx

one

It has been shown clearly that humans are the ones that spread out from the "fertile crescent" and not the water.

real stories can travel futher than water, some understimated the traveling and ocean cruising capacity of people living thousand of years ago.

figure the volume of ark required to contain even pairs of all the types of animals in the world.

does it match the "ark" dimensions stated in the bible?

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? about GLOBAL FLOOD if ARK FOUND

by one in

jw
friends

any expert or geologist wanabe in this forum that can relate the recent tsunami to the above question?

take into consideration what i mentioned in a previous topic

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/83981/1.ashx

one

I do agree tho that for ararat to be covered in water would take a global deluge as described in the bible

why?

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Is religion the real reason for many wars?

by Pole in

a lot of posters on this board have expressed the opinion that religion is the reason for many wars.

some have even implied that if religion was "banned" the number of wars would be reduced.

pole .

one

within the past week or so i replied to a topic stating that poliiticians (could apply to any era) do not beleive in religion but utilize it, it is a tool to keep them in power, not the other way around.

Politicians fully understand human nature, so not even atheist "states" (politicians) made an all out effort to eliminate religions, they did try to use other motivations and incentives to get cooperation from the people, trying to minimize the use (tool) of religion. Even those states find difficult (impossible?) and counterproductive to totally eliminate religions.

(607-587 = 20 ) (1995-1975 = 20 )

by one in

a topic off the top of my head, as usual...

wt waited exactly 20 year to drop the "generation" doctrine, fearing carl olson was right and the 6000 years wt mentioned could end in 1995 instead of 1975 as previously predicted, but it did not happen either..the waited "millenium' did not start during 1995 either.

"1914" doctrine remains but will be also dropped totally after gb and fds members die.

one

A topic off the top of my head, as usual...

607 - 587 = 20

AND

1995 - 1975 = 20

WT waited exactly 20 year to drop the "generation" doctrine, fearing Carl Olson was right and the 6000 years WT mentioned could end in 1995 instead of 1975 as previously predicted, but it did not happen either..The waited "millenium' did not start during 1995 either.

"1914" doctrine remains but will be also dropped totally after GB and FDS members die.

FDS as institution depends on the 1914 doctrine (2520 years - 1914 = 607 BCE no counting year 0 etc)

Those who know better at Brooklyn dont do it now because

a)

the GB/FDS (mainly old members) members are still in power over the corporations and legal dept,

b)

out of respect and fear that they all GB and FDS collectively die of a heart attack. Really actually they will let them go (die) in peace, instead of great shame..

c)

religions can not make major changes without causing trauma to members, too many other implications.

Younger GB members can take the blow or are ready and waiting for the change, new light, at the right time.