It was great, wasn't it! If you visited another Kingdon Hall, you could tell just how "theocratic" that congregation was as soon as you walked through the door!
MYOHNSEPH
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DO YOU RECOGNIZE THIS?
by MYOHNSEPH in.
i was looking through some old wedding day pics of me and my wife, forty-one years ago tomorrow btw, and i came across this one.
how many of you recognize the item hanging on the wall in the background?
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DO YOU RECOGNIZE THIS?
by MYOHNSEPH in.
i was looking through some old wedding day pics of me and my wife, forty-one years ago tomorrow btw, and i came across this one.
how many of you recognize the item hanging on the wall in the background?
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MYOHNSEPH
I was looking through some old wedding day pics of me and my wife, forty-one years ago tomorrow btw, and I came across this one. How many of you recognize the item hanging on the wall in the background?
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Does anyone TRULY die?
by anti-absolutism ini have been reading the book, "the power of positive thinking" by norman vincent peale.
he is/was a christian minister, but his thoughts on god are somewhat different than what i thought a minister's thoughts would be.
in the second last chapter he expresses an interesting viewpoint.
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MYOHNSEPH
We will close our eyes for the last time here on this material plane and blink them open again in the next life as of the same instant.
I think it would be incredible to truly embrace such a belief as reality. But how does person become convinced of something like that? Is it a matter of scriptural interpretation? How much of this belief is based on solid evidence and how much on sentimental speculation? And please don't misunderstand, It's not my intent to belittle or undermine anyone's faith, but I would sincerely like to know if it's the result of enlightenment based on solid research or nothing more than religious credulity. I'll have to admit that my disillusionment with JWism has left me pretty much a cynic, as I believe it has a lot of others. But the fact is, I was, and millions of other people still are, totally convinced of many beautiful and wondrous things for which there never was any real basis. There's a great number of things I speculate about, but these days I'm very reluctant to embrace any idea as "truth" without some pretty solid support. So what do you think? Am I asking for too much?
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Is Experience Necessary For Knowledge?
by Satanus inimagine, if you will, that you are the only thing that exists.
imagine that you need no oxygen, because you had everything you need.
that means that, outside yourself, there is nothing to see, hear, feel or sense in any way.
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MYOHNSEPH
SaintSatan:
Ever thought about trying to get out of the house more?
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THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE
by Nowhere ini found this in one of my course books.
it's quite interesting, added to a chapter dealing with dynamics of friedman-robertson-walker universes.
it looks to me like this man doesn't deny the possibility of a diety, and he is a respected scientist, no creation-pseudo-nonsens-scientist.
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MYOHNSEPH
Who made such a statement? I don't know of anyone who believes that life has evolved to its present state by chance.
Hmmmm?! Well, I must have completely misunderstood a hell of a lot of posts on this forum!
Natural selection is the exact opposite of random chance.
You know, now that you bring it up, there's something I've wondered about for years? Exactly what is "natural selection"? I mean, how does it work? Why does it work? What drives it? How did it begin? By
chance, oops, I mean coincidence? If so, how did it's function become so repetitive and consistent? From a single cell to such marvels as the human brain, over hundreds of millions of years! Seems to have a lot of focus! What do you think keeps it on track? -
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THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE
by Nowhere ini found this in one of my course books.
it's quite interesting, added to a chapter dealing with dynamics of friedman-robertson-walker universes.
it looks to me like this man doesn't deny the possibility of a diety, and he is a respected scientist, no creation-pseudo-nonsens-scientist.
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MYOHNSEPH
The odds mount to an impossible set of "lucky" coincidences that we were even born. Crazy. Yet there are billions of us walking around, despite the odds of our individual self being here.
Someone help me out with this. I’ve seen this kind of rationale used on a number of threads before. It essentially says that our individual existence, along with just about everything else that happens on this earth is just a coincidence, the convergence of an astronomical number of chance occurrences, and thus, it’s nothing so remarkable that life came into being and evolved to it’s present state merely by chance. The snag I’m on here is this: Whether it was that little sperm fertilizing my mother’s egg, at just the right time and place or some guy being put in a coma for years, just because he happened to take off his hardhat to wipe his brow at the same instant a wrench was dropped from overhead, our lives are filled, and shaped to a great degree, by chance. But while all these things may happen by chance, by coincidence, they do not happen spontaneously and without cause. They are all, directly or indirectly the effects of specific causes. Regardless of whether or not there was motive or moral purpose involved, someone or something initiated, or failed to initiate, physical processes which caused the ultimate effect. How is that comparable to the proposition that life, in all it’s complexity, diversity and fragility, spontaneously came into being and evolved to it’s present state, completely without cause or design, purely by chance. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. None of really know. But I fail to see where those two scenarios are even remotely comparable. Furthermore, o ther than speculating about the origins of life and the universe, I can’t imagine anyone using that same kind of rationale in any facet of their real lives. But, that’s just me.
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DNA and Man's origin
by D wiltshire in.
i think as time goes on and dna gets understood better and better it will be imposible for fundamental christians to defend thier position against evolution.
kind of like the catholic church going against galileio saying the "earth is not the center of the universe".. "eventually"(maybe not now) to fight against the evidence makes you look very stupid and under heavy mind control.. don't get me wrong i beleive there is a god, and i think he used "gradualism" to create the universe and life, i even feel the first 2 chapter of genesis are discribing a very long drawn out process that took just as evolutionist are telling us, billions of years till finally man appears.. eventually the wt is going to have to change its understanding of genesis to even stay credible..
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MYOHNSEPH
i found that it is completely pointless to discuss this matter with people who have no interest in an scientific discussion.... since their ideas are merely based on faith and not on facts...and they refuse to consider alternative hypothesis.
I couldn't agree with you more! I also agree that scientific evidence should be examined honestly and objectively, regardless of it's impact on ideas and beliefs based solely on faith. In my opinion, the body of evidence, currently at our disposal, does indeed, and overwhelmingly, support the conclusion that life on earth has arrived at it's present state through an evolutionary process. What I am not entirely convinced of is that this process was set in motion purely by accident and has, through an unfathomable series contingencies, produced the intricate and delicate order of life we behold today. It's not a matter of faith. It's just the way my version of common sense works. But hey! Maybe I just need to get the upgrade!
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DNA and Man's origin
by D wiltshire in.
i think as time goes on and dna gets understood better and better it will be imposible for fundamental christians to defend thier position against evolution.
kind of like the catholic church going against galileio saying the "earth is not the center of the universe".. "eventually"(maybe not now) to fight against the evidence makes you look very stupid and under heavy mind control.. don't get me wrong i beleive there is a god, and i think he used "gradualism" to create the universe and life, i even feel the first 2 chapter of genesis are discribing a very long drawn out process that took just as evolutionist are telling us, billions of years till finally man appears.. eventually the wt is going to have to change its understanding of genesis to even stay credible..
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the evidence is so overwhelming already that it is amazing to me that people still deny evolution.
Funny thing, evidence. Sometimes two people can take the same evidence and use it to support two completely different arguments. And no matter how much of it you gather, you always wonder if you missed some. Sometimes, what may seem to be overwhelming evidence, can lead to a completely wrong conclusion. When I was about ten years old, one of my morning chores on the farm was to go out and milk the cow. We had an old cow which had a most irritating habit. As soon as I would sit down on my stool and begin milking her, she would start swishing her tail, right into my face. On a particular morning I decided I had had enough of that and I devised a remedy for the problem. I took a little piece of string out of my overall pocket, placed the milking stool behind the cow and tied the string to the cow's tail. I stood up on the stool, pulled the cow's tail up over my head and was about to tie it to a wooden rafter above the cow's stall. Just about the time I had the string thrown over the rafter and the cow's tail pulled up as high as I could get it, the one good strap on my overalls broke and my overalls fell down around my feet. As fate would have it, at that very instant, my father walked through the barn door. I never was able to convince him I was just trying to milk that cow. I guess the evidence was just too overwhelming!
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DID CLARA GET JUSTICE?
by MYOHNSEPH ina dentist from houston, clara harris, was found guilty of murder and sentenced to twenty years yesterday, for running over her husband with her mercedes and killing him, in a fit of rage, after confronting him and his girlfriend in a local hotel.
now mrs. harris already knew about her husband's infidelity with the other woman, had even discussed with her husband how the two of them compared, and was apparently still trying to salvage their marriage.
but after the confrontation inside the hotel, she lost it and ultimately ran him over multiple times with her automobile, killing him.
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MYOHNSEPH
If he didn't want her anymore why didn't her scumbag husband have balls enough to divorce her before he started with a new one. I say dig the bastard up and run over him again.
Now don't be shy, Footprints, tell us how you really feel! LOL
You're right! It appears this dude was indeed a scumbag! But, is that a crime deserving of capital punishment? Can you imagine what it would mean if every man and woman, who was cheated on by their scumbag significant other, decided to run them over?! Hell, the body and paint industry wouldn't be able to keep up!
But ultimately, IMHO, both these folks simply reaped what they had sown. And I'm not trying to imply any kind of divine retribution here. I simply believe that when anyone knowingly pursues a course which has a clear and distinct potential for disaster - as both of these people did - I don't think they should be too suprised when they arrive at it's disastrous end. It's just a shame they took so many casualties with them!
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Does anyone here still go to the meetings
by Brandy5 ini was just wondering if anyone here still go to the meetings.
if so why do you attened?
eddited to add are you married to an active jw .
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MYOHNSEPH
I attended Memorial for a few years after I had faded away. It's still a very special thing for my wife and my attending really gave her a boost. But after reflecting on the hypocrisy of it, I decided not to continue. I don't want to mislead anyone into thinking I might be "coming back to the truth". I will, however, still attended a memorial service for an old friend who has passed away.