Londo111

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  Soooo, PRINCE is still a JW I guess? (he's using the tactics)

  by RagingBull in

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  2. friends

  http://www.contactmusic.com/story/anthony-anderson-befriends-prince-after-jehovah-s-witness-encounter_4380871.

  interesting.

  using the technique of "cornering" people.

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  Prince is the Tom Cruise of JWs.
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  Watchtower Takes in $2 Million Conditional Loan and Won't Return the Loan, Is it True?

  by BucketShopBill in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i heard several stories of the watchtower taking in loans and donations given by rich witnesses who have fallen on to hard times and asked for the money back and the watchtower won't return the money.

  have you ever heard of the watchtower only paying the money back on "conditional loans" once legal experts get invovled?

  one of the stories that is around is a family donated a large chunk of their nest-egg to the watchtower and the husband got sick and the branch refused to contact him when he asked for his conditional donation back, would the watchtower screw people out of their money?

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  Wow. Just when I think I've heard it all...the depths the Watchtower sinks too... wow.
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  Well, it was a fine week to LEAVE!

  by RagingBull in

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  2. friends

  ....well, i was going to wait.

  go out with a bang!?

  i decided (like many others this week!

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  Congrats, Raging Bull! I wonder how many from our old congergation have now left 100%.

  I count 5, at least. And if you count those awake, but hanging around, that number might be a bit higher. And I do wonder about those who left before us...who seemed to have "drifted off". Maybe they opened thier eyes way before we ever did.
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  London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

  The 2014 study found that trolls operate as agents of chaos on the Internet, exploiting hot-button issues to make users appear overly emotional or foolish in some manner. If an unfortunate person falls into their trap, trolling intensifies for further, merciless amusement. This is why novice Internet users are routinely admonished, "Do not feed the trolls!"
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  BORG running low on $$$??

  by fader77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  dear brothers:.

  re: personal literature supply.

  reducing existing stock at the branch office before the revisions are released.

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  I don't believe they are running low on money anymore than there was a 'deficit' at the circuit assemblies.
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  Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?

  by Enzo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi, to everyone my username is enzo, .

  recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .

  but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.

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  Must...not...feed the troll...must...not...
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  Anointed JW Today And Tianamen Square

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://anointedjw.org/fight_fine_fight.html.

  first, message received, i get it.

  these guys are way out there and full of themselves.

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  A Watcher: a better description of the Governing Body I have not heard!
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  I loathe authority

  by punkofnice in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  now i'm not preaching hatred here i am just expressing how i've felt for years even when i was a jw.. i totally loathe the police/policticians...any authority......anyone that is over anyone else.

  i have a total hatred of them all.

  i wonder if it's because i was raised a jw?.

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  I can relate to the OP!
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  Was Charles Russell delusional or just a con artist?

  by keyser soze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've seen him referred to as both on this forum.. did he sincerely believe that he was an inspired prophet whose end-time predictions and biblical interpretations came from god?

  or was he just a shrewd businessman who saw a market of disillusioned christians who believed that armageddon was imminent that he could exploit?.

  i personally lean toward the latter.. .

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  My guess is that he started as a sincere but mistaken Adventist, but as he became successful and made money off Study In The Scriptures, amassed followers and acclaim, he got corrupted along the way. He lied under oath in court over the Solon Society and got caught red-handed. That was not the actions of a conscientious believer.

  Still, he would have been chagrined at knowing what the Judge, Knorr and Freddie would do to the movement.
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  Have you ever read the review of Steven Hassan's books on Cult news.com?

  by Enzo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi, to everyone my username is enzo, .

  recently a saw a video presented by john cedar presenting steve hassan as a cult expert.. .

  but read this reviews presented on cult news about steve hassan's books, and it's up to you make your own opinion about the video.

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  Londo111

  I'll touch on a few points...

  * isolation, deprivation

  JWs are isolated, even though geographically the majority do not live on the Bethel compounds. It is ingrained only to make friends with other JWs, not to get close to “worldly people”. Children are not supposed to part in extracurricular activities or sports. Adults are not supposed to spend time with coworkers after work. JWs have to take their leave when holiday activities come up. Besides, there is not allot of free time from non-cult activities and that isolates a person from the outside world.

  Since all one’s support network, friends and family, end up being JWs, isolation is used as a tool to keep people in line. A person may be marked, thus excluded from social activities. Or they may be disfellowshipped, in which case such ones are isolated by total shunning.

  Enzo, have you ever been that excluded? Have you gone three days without talking with anyone? I have. I know the isolation that the Watchtower brings upon people. Many of us here can testify to this.

  Unlike the popular sterotype, most cults members live in their own houses and have normal jobs, only a minority live in compounds. For JWs, that minority are called Bethelites. Bethelites are even more isolated, living on the Bethel compound, where they are worked hard and have to obey a very arbitrary and extensive list of rules. It is a grueling regimen.

  * hours of indoctrination

  Wow, where do I begin with this? JWs used to meet three times a week, now it is only twice. Even so, they attend 4 hours of meetings a week. And then, they have to spend time “preparing” for the meetings, and “studying” other JW publications. There are also long, monotonous assemblies that they must attend. Perhaps you should sit through a weekend at one of these assemblies and see what you think.

  *economical damage

  Because “higher education” is frowned upon, this can have a long-term impact. What is encouraged is for JWs to “pioneer”, making a fulltime career of recruitment. To make room for this, the admonition is to take part time work, cut back on one’s standard of living, downsize one’s house. Before 1975, many sold their homes, businesses, and so forth, to pioneer. The Watchtower gave tacit approval of such a course. Some put off medical and dental procedures because they were encouraged to think that the end was coming in 1975. There is much economical impact to the JW community. Not everyone “sold their home” to serve the Watchtower, but thousands have.

  JWs are indoctrinated in an extreme way…it is a low and slow process that never ends, and it is almost impossible to break because of its subtle nature. If you’ve ever seen a JW’s aposta-alarm go off, you would see how indoctrinated they are.

  More have died in the JWs than Jim Jones, the Solar Temple, Waco, and combined and many times over. This makes the Watchtower the most dangerous cult of all, a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

  And, Enzo, the blood policy is not being enforced? I’m sorry, but you are very misinformed. It is hard to say if the Watchtower will want to make a public spectacle of King, or what his status is as a JW, whether inactive, or where his records are, and so forth. All this has an impact how such situations are handled. There are many nominal JWs, like Serina Williams, who do things most JWs would get in trouble for.

  From page 111 of the Shepard The Flock book (the secret elder’s handbook), it says:

  If someone willingly takes blood, perhaps because of being under extreme pressure, the committee should obtain the facts and determine the individual’s attitude. If he is repentant the committee would provide spiritual assistance in the spirit of Galatians 6: 1 and Jude 22, 23. Since he is spiritually weak, he would not qualify for special privileges for a period of time, and it may be necessary to remove certain basic privileges. Depending on the circumstances, the committee may also need to arrange for an announcement to the congregation: "'The elders have handled a matter having to do with [name of person]. You will be glad to know that spiritual shepherds are endeavoring to render assistance." On the other hand, if the elders on the committee determine that he is unrepentant, they should announce his disassociation.

  The Watchtower has made it so a person is not disfellowshipped by taking blood, rather, they are said to have disassociated themselves. The result is the same: shunning. It is a beancounting maneuver. They told Bulguria they don’t disfellowship a person for taking blood. That is technically true, but by taking blood, a person is expelled nonetheless. They just call it something else.

  And beyond the threat of shunning, because of Information Control, threat of Armageddon and other fears and guilts that are laid on thick, the Watchtower can still influence their members to not take blood. I’m sure one day the Watchtower will lift its blood ban, however, it won’t change the fact that thousands already have died because of this.

  While other groups practice ‘excommunication’, this is not often practiced, even if on the books, and it is simply a membership change. In these groups, excommunication does not result in institutional shunning, and the excommunicating those who do not shun the expelled. Excommunication and shunning are the hallmarks of a destructive cult.

  Everything above is not my opinion, but facts, which you could verify if you wanted to. I am curious why you are so invested in the thought that the Watchtower is not a dangerous cult, but a benign group. After what thousands on this forum have experienced, do you really think we can be swayed on this matter? Sometimes I am not sure what you are doing here, whether you are an indoctrinated JW apologist, or whether you are a troll and just yanking our chain. If you have an honest motive for being here, I really encourage you to educate yourself more about the Watchtower and the harm it has brought on people.