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  Ouija Board Hysteria

  by Megachusen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i always wondered why jw's were always so afraid of ouija(pronounced as "wee-yaw" not "wee-gee") boards.

  does anyone have any speculation about who started these jw myths?.

  anyone who has actually tried the board and would like to give their opinions are welcome.

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  Londo111

  Wow. I should not make posts so late at night.

  What I meant to say was: A couple, not all, of these experiences sound like sleep paralysis.
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  Ouija Board Hysteria

  by Megachusen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i always wondered why jw's were always so afraid of ouija(pronounced as "wee-yaw" not "wee-gee") boards.

  does anyone have any speculation about who started these jw myths?.

  anyone who has actually tried the board and would like to give their opinions are welcome.

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  Londo111

  I am reading this thread for the first time. A couple, not all, of these experiences by sleep paralysis.
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  Examples of Bias/Discrepancies in the New World Translation

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  to be fair, translating the bible is a huge undertaking, and in doing so, there are bound to be mistakes, or even limits to a committee's knowledge.

  obviously, we cannot read the hearts of the four translators of the new world translation committee to know when they consciously or subconsciously altered renderings in to support doctrinal bias.

  but more and more, i do come across things that feel askew to me.

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  Londo111

  Both religious and nonreligious, both Christian and non-Christian people can be dogmatic about their ideology--this is part of the human condition. However, this contributes nothing constructive to the topic at hand. It is easy enough to create a separate thread to bash these issues out.
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  Examples of Bias/Discrepancies in the New World Translation

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  to be fair, translating the bible is a huge undertaking, and in doing so, there are bound to be mistakes, or even limits to a committee's knowledge.

  obviously, we cannot read the hearts of the four translators of the new world translation committee to know when they consciously or subconsciously altered renderings in to support doctrinal bias.

  but more and more, i do come across things that feel askew to me.

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  Londo111

  I looked foward to reading the Daniel thread. I haven't made up my mind yet, my gut keeps leaning toward a Maccabean origin. Nevertheless, I will keep an open mind.

  BTW--I am so glad everyone moved past Hebrews 1:8! I've never seen such commentary about a single verse in my life!
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  The Manna of Music

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  reading dncall's experienced today got me to thinking about the "kingdom melodies".

  when i was in, i often felt like the israelites did toward manna, and felt guilty about it.

  this was reinforced as a child when i expressed my opinion toward the songs and my father gave me 'correction' by literally kicking me in the behind.

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  Londo111

  AnnOMaly,

  If you sing like you do research, consider me a fan! :)
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  The Manna of Music

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  reading dncall's experienced today got me to thinking about the "kingdom melodies".

  when i was in, i often felt like the israelites did toward manna, and felt guilty about it.

  this was reinforced as a child when i expressed my opinion toward the songs and my father gave me 'correction' by literally kicking me in the behind.

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  Londo111

  Reading DNCall's experienced today got me to thinking about the "Kingdom Melodies". When I was In, I often felt like the Israelites did toward manna, and felt guilty about it. This was reinforced as a child when I expressed my opinion toward the songs and my father gave me 'correction' by literally kicking me in the behind.

  But I really came to believe we had the 'manna of music'. The Israelites called manna contemptible bread, even though it tasted sweet. But it was pretty much the same day in and day out. Sweet, bland, boring, very basic. At least, the Israelites didn't make alphabet soup out of manna and use it to quote the Law. And when they saw manna for the first time, they said, "Manna?", that is, "What is it?" And the name stuck. Likewise, with some of the "Kingdom Melodies".

  And what wretched tortured lyrics! Didn't we read enough of the Watchtower--so why did we have to sing it? At the very least, we didn't have to sing about the 1260 days.

  Don't get me wrong, I did like a handful of songs--say, the Victory Song. And some had a catchy tune, but often it was so repetitious that it got old, very fast. What I never understood is if we had an international brotherhood, then why wasn't that reflected culturally in the music? I yearned for variety--and the whole songbook had a homogenized, sterile style.

  I kept picturing David coming back in the resurrection, listening to a 'Kingdom Song' and saying, "I can't dance to this! Let me show you how to jam."

  I was envious at "Babylon", whenever I heard snippets, because it seemed they had way better music than we did, especially old-time gospel choirs.

  I have vague memories of the pink songbook, and then followed by the 'Sing Praises'. I much preferred the orchestral version they played at Assemblies. Even so, it lacked the depth of Bach or Chopin or Beethoven, no matter how dressed up it was. Sometimes, when I listen to Performance Today, I have heard two little snippets from classical compositions that seem to 'inspiration' of some the 'Kingdom' tunes.

  Now, I think the latest songbook is utterly abysmal! It sounds like an off-off-Broadway showtune reject. And whatever older songs survived were changed so as to be off-kilter. Sometimes the words were familiar and the tune was different, and sometimes the tune was family and the words were all different--I would end up singing the old words. It seemed like such a boondoggle. More sterile, more homogenized.

  Of course, it was a 'sin' to say anything than how great the new songs were. It really feels good to be able to openly say this at last!
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  Marginal Notes in the 'Shepherd the Flock of God'

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  elders of the jeroboam/conscious class, .

  it is my understanding, correct me if i am wrong, that during the km school, the instructors have elders write notes in the margins of the shepherd book, notes that legal does not want in print, and perhaps by extension, extra tidbits they don't want leaked to the public and/or average witness.. .

  can you share some of these from the latest km school?.

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  So basically elders are asked to fall on their sword--what sort of cases would the Society want to disavow involvement?

  I know nothing about the law, but could prosecutors, knowing the above, make a case that the Society was involved in certain cases? Or…what might happen if a former elder or an elder of conscience testified to the Society's involvement? Could they do so after a verdict was reached?
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  Weird JW Dreams

  by MrFreeze in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i think it's a given that most of us who have left, have had dreams about still being jw's or doing jw related things, even years after we left.

  i had one of those last night.

  it involved getting a hotel for the next district convention and then it skipped ahead to when i was attending.

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  Londo111

  Amen to that.
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  A Smurfy Tale: Papa Smurf Meets the Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Sic Semper Tyrannis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  brother and sister bishop had to be the most annoying witnesses in our congregation.

  sister bishop was a shrill overweight busybody who had nothing else better to do than spread rumors about both people and inanimate objects.

  on the other hand, brother bishop was a rail thin cuckold of a man nearly 20 years younger than his wife.

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  Londo111

  People insisted these urban legends were true…they heard it from somebody else who was there. I found it really hard that the Smurfs would be the embodiment of evil. If the demons caused Smurf dolls to dance in the KH, wouldn't that cause those in attendance to redouble their efforts to flee from anything the least bit occult? Wouldn't that drive them to pray more, do more service, more study, ect? I would think it would make a pioneer out of the most adamant unbeliever. Demons, if they exist, would not be that stupid.

  BTW--now is a good time as any to recount any urban legends we've heard. It would be good for a laugh and God knows we certainly need it!
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  Weird JW Dreams

  by MrFreeze in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i think it's a given that most of us who have left, have had dreams about still being jw's or doing jw related things, even years after we left.

  i had one of those last night.

  it involved getting a hotel for the next district convention and then it skipped ahead to when i was attending.

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  Londo111

  I've often dreamt that I'm at a door, and attempting to turn to Ecclesiastes 9:5...but I can't find the book of Ecclesiastes anywhere or the scripture doesn't say anything in particular to the point I am trying to make...