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2020-08-S-236-E-- Instructions For New Regular Pioneers!
by Atlantis in2 documents.
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2020-08 instructions for new regular pioneers, s-236-e, in english and in spanish.time to grab the hair brush.https://docdro.id/ikgig7gpetra!.
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District convention to be held in assembly hall instead of stadium
by NikL inlast night they announced that this summers district convention will be held at an assembly hall.. this is the first time i've seen this happen.
there are a couple of congregations in the same hall here and they aren't going to the same ones.
they are having multiple dates.. the hall they are going to use can only hold 1500 people max.. just wondering if maybe they just couldnt get anything bigger this year or if the falling numbers are playing a part in this decision.
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Wonder if they have really changed their business model and arrange more international conventions? We already know that they have lucrative hotel deals.
I mean International conventions even have their own homepage.
Marekting for Finland Convention for example is as follows:
"Imagine yourself in Kauppatori, the market on the harbor, enjoying coffee and the traditional Finnish cinnamon rolls. Stroll along the seaside park of Kaivopuisto, or visit Suomenlinna, one of the largest sea fortresses in the world. Or roam the cobblestone streets and get a sense what Helsinki was like during the days of the Russian Empire when the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society was registered under the Russian czar."
So money from int conventions and savings by using own small halls.
Just thinking.
Suomenlinna btw is a Military Fortess.
https://www.suomenlinna.fi/en/fortress/swedishera/
Not in my youth...
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Can this be true: GB to court - NBC ??
by Festus inis this a bad joke or "fake news"?.
nbc new york is claiming "attorneys are expected on monday to announce the filing of lawsuits in king's county supreme court against eight members of the governing body of the jehovah's witnesses for alleged child sexual abuse claims.".
eventhough i would enjoy to see this happen i am very suspiciouse concerning nbcs reliability with this case.. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/happening-today-nj-water-cosby-appeal-epstein-probe-536740491.html.
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Is this a bad joke or "fake news"?
NBC New York is claiming "Attorneys are expected on Monday to announce the filing of lawsuits in King's County Supreme Court against eight members of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses for alleged child sexual abuse claims."
Eventhough I would enjoy to see this happen I am very suspiciouse concerning NBCs reliability with this case.
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Convention canceled in Queensland
by Festus inapparently a big regional convention in australia has been cancelled.
instead there will be 14 conventions at the local convention hall.. does anyone from downunder have any idea about the reason?.
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Apparently a big regional convention in Australia has been cancelled. Instead there will be 14 conventions at the local convention hall.
Does anyone from downunder have any idea about the reason?
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The urban legends we heard as JWs!
by stuckinarut2 inhow often have we heard some sort of sensationalist urban legend as jws?.
here is an example i was told as a kid:.
the experience of a sister who knocked on a door and was greeted by a big fierce looking man- intimidating and mean.
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In Europe it was Bruce Spingsteen in Stockholm - who asked witnesses to leave the venue. When he was starting to play he repeated the request - some witnesses had choose to stay. Horrible....Boss was clearly instrument of demons/satan but still witnesses chose to stay....what a legend.
Another one - I heard this one i NYC - was that a CO had been in field service and met a psychic. Psychic told him that in "spirit world" they had had a conference and they thought "hey lets invite witnesses". So there in the spirit world they flew to Brooklyn but could not get access to HQ cause it was guarded by angels..."so many angels". Shuure...
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Jehovah is not the God of Jehovah’s Witnesses
by Ireneus inin exodus 23:4 jehovah established this law: “if you come across your enemy's ox or donkey wandering off, be sure to take it back to him.”.
if jws were really his people, jehovah would have ensured they never go wrong in their teaching which is in effect much more than mere “wandering.” if jehovah is concerned about wandering animals of enemies of his chosen people, much more concern should have been shown by him towards his modern-day chosen people.. yet the changes they have made are too many.
(https://docs.google.com/document/d/1urjfnby6jlz8lsibve7vsrgihtxkwqbrluzihlgfh-e/edit).
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Festus
The God in Exodus is Yahweh who was a half crazy solider god. JDubs represent their Jehovah as this Yahweh like Jehovah = Yahweh and vica verca. But that is nonsense. Jdubs god is some sort of hybrid of Jesus and Yahweh. Yahweh is not the only god in old testament. El or El Shaiddai was one of them. And if I remember correctly he created earth.
It is bit unclear if Raymundus Martini invented the name Jehovah or was it via masoretes. Catholic church claims Jehovah is their "invention" by this Martini. Dunno.
Anyway the whole Jehovah thing is rubbish.
And yes their god is more gb today.
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Fictional Novel about witnesses
by Festus inben kalland from finland has written a novel with jdub - and jw hq - as context and it has been translated to english.
it is called "ellen's song".
you can find it in amazon.. here is the plot:.
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Ben Kalland from Finland has written a novel with JDub - and JW HQ - as context and it has been translated to English. It is called "Ellen's song". You can find it in Amazon.
Here is the plot:
A talented violinist. A horrifying accident. An unknown daughter.
Finland, years ago: Markus and his three sisters spend their childhood summers at a cottage by the sea. Younger sister Ellen is heading toward an international career as a violinist. But tragedies strike. One icy night Markus' friend drowns in a horrible accident. One of the sisters is banished from the family, Ellen’s violin is silenced forever, and Markus leaves the country.
New York, present day: Markus has made a career as a top-ranked elder in the Watchtower Society. Then one day he receives a letter from a woman who claims to be his daughter. He is compelled to revisit his family’s history—and he realizes that he will have to face the truth about what happened to his best friend and to his talented sister.
Ellen’s Song is a captivating story about the love of music, thirst for power, family secrets, and finding the truth. -
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Borg nearly apologies child abuse victims in Finland
by Festus inthe attached picture is historical.
the man on left is ari hakkarainen, representative of jw in finland.
the woman in middle is reporter susanna päivärinta and the lady at right is josefina pakomaa who was abused by family friend - a jw - when she was 11. a vicious apostate today.
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Festus
steve2: interview was conducted 18.4.2018 so if we just think about the timeline it is not historical or ancient. But as compound complex pointed out other adjectives such as significant can be used. In this context I used word historical more in that sense.
She was an apostate during the interview and and still is. JWs have not labelled her "as vicious apostate" but taking into consideration that borg has described apostates as "mentally diseased" - and used several other degrading terms - I believe "vicious apostate" don't fall to far.
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Borg nearly apologies child abuse victims in Finland
by Festus inthe attached picture is historical.
the man on left is ari hakkarainen, representative of jw in finland.
the woman in middle is reporter susanna päivärinta and the lady at right is josefina pakomaa who was abused by family friend - a jw - when she was 11. a vicious apostate today.
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The attached picture is historical. The man on left is Ari Hakkarainen, representative of JW in Finland. The woman in middle is reporter Susanna Päivärinta and the lady at right is Josefina Pakomaa who was abused by family friend - a JW - when she was 11. A vicious apostate today. So we have a representative from Branch and an apostate in same picture. Apparently they even shook hands before program. Josefiina and Ari that is. Nevertheless in past "brothers" came to conclusion that she was the guilty one for her own abuse. She had seduced the poor man. So he had to apologise the man and afterwards serve coffee and cookies to him.
As a responsible journalist Päivärinta gave JW possibility to give their view of what has happened. Ari's interview starts around 18.45 and is full of surprises. In the very beginning Ari says that term "judicial committee is bit misleading" because the purpose of it is to give spiritual support and help. Well why is it called judicial committee then?
At 23.45 min Päivärinta asks a question about Josefinas case. Ari says "we are truly sorry that she has had to go through this ordeal..." that is not an official apology but probably a close as society can go. Further he mentions that he has familiarised himself with the case and contra what Josefiina says there was no judicial committee but two elders who had interviewed her. With other words he admits that society keeps files of cases like this.
But further Ari acknowledges that she is a victim and victims are never requested to be in judicial committee. Somehow I have difficulties to believe in this. Background for this comment might be that few weeks before this program the national broadcasting company in Finland made a big story where several women claimed that JW had required them to be quite what it comes to cases such as Josefiina's.
Then Päivärinta grills him further and refers to tv-program and asks about other women and their stories. Ari says that "he would like to say that it is not true" but points out that it might have happened in past with individual cases. Right after that he says that reason why society requests to contact juridical department first is that then juridical department can tell parents that "now your first thing to do is to go directly to authorities". But journalist Päivärinta continues and says "Ari I checked the instructions and it does not say go to authorities it says contact branch" Ari then replies "yes but in our publications there has been instructions to contact authorities during a longer period of time", "in what publications?" asks the journalist. "Watchtower" says Ari.
Please give me that Watchtower's year and date since haven't seen a single WT magazine with that information!
Then Päivärinta asks "what about these other women should they report these abuse cases to police" and looks like Ari is forced to say "Absolutely. We don't have any interests in covering up these kinds of activities".
Päivärinta then asks about two witness policy and Ari replies that he would "separate child abuse cases from this since there might not be a single witness". Is that now against what GB recently said in one of the broadcasting? What it comes to two witness rule and rape cases Ari instructs the victim to contact police and if there is a doom from court JWs can rely to that and take it into consideration if the case is to be taken up in congregation.
"We don't deal with crimes in congregation we deal with sins, police is there for crime investigations" well good if that is the case now but what comes to past I might have a different view. Further Ari denies that there would have ever been a culture of silencing victims but on the contrary a culture of "encouraging the victims to approach authorities" he also ducks Päivarinta's question of giving possible documents to police by referring to confidential information of individuals but he admits that there is a chance that some documents must be given to authorities someday in future.
Päivärinta further asks if society is going to apologise possible victims "That is a good idea" says Ari but even thought he is more bombarded with the question the best he manages to say is "if there is a convenient opportunity to apologise well why not and if we have ever done something wrong of course we will apologise.." guess there is still no reason to expect JWs of Finland to officially apologise anything.
Ari is further asked about shunning and he mentions that if some one just stops attending meetings and going to field service - aka inactive - nothing changes. But with that "little percentage that is either disfellowshipped or has disassociated them selves" according to Ari there are no strict guidelines but it depends of a conscience of an individual meaning some people do shun strictly and some less strictly. "There is now one way" he says. Ari please. That is not true.
Päivärinta grills him further and quotes WT and refers to Elders Manual and Ari is forced to say "well if you look up this from bible you will see that these guidelines are from bible". Shuure. He then softens the case by claiming that 50% will return. Ari, the figure might be smaller nowadays.
Päivärinta then suggest that maybe they come back because they miss their family so much and says "Ari do you understand that it is a tough punishment, psychological violence if community rejects you?" Ari compares the situation with someone quitting a job if he/she has become unhappy with it and afterwards talks bad things about it. "Relations do easily become infected in situations like this" is Ari's comment. Ari. Job and family are not comparable. Ari then tells us that he does not shun anybody. He has in previous interviews said that he knows around 20 000 witnesses so somehow I don't buy this.
Last few minutes Ari and Päivärinta do talk about the wonderful hope of Jehovah's Witnesses. "What happens to me and the other people when badness is wiped away?" asks Päivärinta. "God will determine that. We of course hope that everyone will live in paradise" replies Ari. Wrong answer. You will all die would have been more truthful.
It is note worthy that Ari Hakkarainen was in this program. Usually society - in Finland - has used Veikko Leinonen but maybe his face has become "burnt" in media. Or maybe it is just too tough nowadays to be in lime light in connection with society since media is starting to ask tough questions. Or maybe Veikko was on vacation.
Even if you don't understand Finnish you can see that Ari's body language is disturbing. Just take a look at at 25.00 minute when he is asked if society covers up abuse cases.
Here is the link:
http://www.iltalehti.fi/iltv-paivarinta/201804110185348_iv.shtml
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Pillowgate makes headlines in Finland
by Festus inlocal newspaper in finland has published an article concerning wtbs:s "pillowgate@ videos.
the local "communications manager" of jehovah's witnesses - veikko leinonen - has declined to comment them.
according to him they are for internal use only.
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Local newspaper in Finland has published an article concerning WTBS:s "Pillowgate@ videos. The local "communications manager" of Jehovah's Witnesses - Veikko Leinonen - has declined to comment them. According to him they are for internal use only. He also states that "videos have been misrepresented and taken out of context against any journalistic rules". Luckily WTBS never does this...
Previously "Brother Leinonen" has commented the shunning video and mentioned that when Sonja in video called her mother she was aware that it was "a religious call" hence she did not answer. Obviously Jdubs have some paranormal talents nowadays.
When reporter asked justification for shunning "Brother Leinonen'"replied: "Yeah. There is no point of speculating. Somebody has one opinion and the second one another. There is no need to continue the discussion".
Here are the links. Google translate works quite ok.