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Why do the Jehovah's Witnesses accept the authenticity of "The Book of Daniel" but not that of Enoch's?

by I_love_Jeff in

according to the jehovah's witness book called insight vol.

"authenticity.

some critics question the authenticity of daniel, assuming the position taken by a third-century heathen philosopher and enemy of christianity, porphyry, who contended that the book of daniel was forged by a palestinian jew of the time of antiochus epiphanes.

I_love_Jeff

Ooops. It's not a video link. My mistake. Thanks for the live link, that is.

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Why do the Jehovah's Witnesses accept the authenticity of "The Book of Daniel" but not that of Enoch's?

by I_love_Jeff in

according to the jehovah's witness book called insight vol.

"authenticity.

some critics question the authenticity of daniel, assuming the position taken by a third-century heathen philosopher and enemy of christianity, porphyry, who contended that the book of daniel was forged by a palestinian jew of the time of antiochus epiphanes.

I_love_Jeff

LOL!! True. Some of the info. on those links seem a bit sound, though. : ) Thank you for including the video link : )

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Why do the Jehovah's Witnesses accept the authenticity of "The Book of Daniel" but not that of Enoch's?

by I_love_Jeff in

according to the jehovah's witness book called insight vol.

"authenticity.

some critics question the authenticity of daniel, assuming the position taken by a third-century heathen philosopher and enemy of christianity, porphyry, who contended that the book of daniel was forged by a palestinian jew of the time of antiochus epiphanes.

I_love_Jeff

Take a look at this article!

http://www.sherryshriner.com/church-coverup.htm

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Why do the Jehovah's Witnesses accept the authenticity of "The Book of Daniel" but not that of Enoch's?

by I_love_Jeff in

according to the jehovah's witness book called insight vol.

"authenticity.

some critics question the authenticity of daniel, assuming the position taken by a third-century heathen philosopher and enemy of christianity, porphyry, who contended that the book of daniel was forged by a palestinian jew of the time of antiochus epiphanes.

I_love_Jeff

Old Hippie,

I do understand that the topic has been discussed multiple times within their articles BUT they do not give any further information as to why one was accepted and the other was not even though they have the same prerequisites for being allowed in the Canon. The reasons why are quite similar for both but one was removed and the other was not.

According to the Insight Book Vol. 1 The Book of Daniel-INCLUDED based on the following prerequisites-1) Jesus mentioned his name 2) "Jewish Antiquities" 3) Dead Sea Scrolls.

The Book of Enoch-excluded for having the same prerequisites-1) mentioned by Jude in the New Testament 2 )Discussed in the Old Testament several times. Enoch was taken away like Elijah and did not see death. 3) Dead Sea Scrolls. 4) Mentioned in the Jewish Antiquities.

I read several articles last night and some scholars have noted that the Book of Enoch contained sexual content among the angels and mortals. In order to keep the peace with Constantine and his Crusaders, the Church Fathers refrained from including it in the Canon.

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Why do the Jehovah's Witnesses accept the authenticity of "The Book of Daniel" but not that of Enoch's?

by I_love_Jeff in

according to the jehovah's witness book called insight vol.

"authenticity.

some critics question the authenticity of daniel, assuming the position taken by a third-century heathen philosopher and enemy of christianity, porphyry, who contended that the book of daniel was forged by a palestinian jew of the time of antiochus epiphanes.

I_love_Jeff

Thanks Ziddina

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Why do the Jehovah's Witnesses accept the authenticity of "The Book of Daniel" but not that of Enoch's?

by I_love_Jeff in

according to the jehovah's witness book called insight vol.

"authenticity.

some critics question the authenticity of daniel, assuming the position taken by a third-century heathen philosopher and enemy of christianity, porphyry, who contended that the book of daniel was forged by a palestinian jew of the time of antiochus epiphanes.

I_love_Jeff

According to the Jehovah's Witness book called Insight Vol. 1:

"Authenticity. Some critics question the authenticity of Daniel, assuming the position taken by a third-century heathen philosopher and enemy of Christianity, Porphyry, who contended that the book of Daniel was forged by a Palestinian Jew of the time of Antiochus Epiphanes. This forger, he theorized, took past events and made them appear to be prophecies. The genuineness of the book of Daniel was not seriously questioned, however, from that day until the early part of the 18th century. Jesus Christ's own acceptance of Daniel's prophecy is an even more significant evidence of its authenticity.-Mt 24:15; Da 11:31.

Historical. Several manuscripts of parts of the book of Daniel were found in the Dead Sea Caves . The earliest manuscript dates from the first half of the first century B.C.E.; the book of Daniel was an accepted part of the Scriptures in that time and was so well known to the Jews that many copies had already been made of it. That it was recognized as a canonical book of that time is supported by the writer of the Apocryphal, but historical, book of First Maccabees (2:59, 60), who made reference to Daniel's deliverance from the den of lions, and that of the three Hebrews from the fiery furnace.
We have also the testimony of the Jewish historian Josephus, who states that the prophecies of Daniel were shown to Alexander the Great when he entered Jerusalem. This occurred in about 332 B.C.E., more than 150 years before the Maccabean period. Josephus says of the event: "When the book of Daniel was shown to him, in which he had declared that one of the Greeks would destroy the empire of the Persians, he believed himself to be the one indicated." (Jewish Antiquities, XI, 337 [viii, 5]) History also recounts that Alexander bestowed great favors on the Jews, and this is believed to have been because of what Daniel said about him in prophecy."

My thoughts: If the Jehovah's Witnesses accept the Book of Daniel as authentic based on "proof" from Jesus (Mt 24:15;Da 11:31), Dead Sea Scrolls, and Jewish Antiquities then why is the Book of Enoch which can be historically proven in the same way not accepted within their Canon? The Book of Enoch: 1) Dead Sea Scrolls, 2) mentioned in the inspired Book of Jude, 3) Tertullian (160-230 C.E) even called the Book of Enoch "Holy Scripture", 4) Josephus took his information from a source such as 1Enoch 6-11 "two stelae" and the list goes on.

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I've been challenged by a JW apologist and need some answers please.

by I_love_Jeff in

the apologists states: "give at least one example in the bible where the word prototokos (firstborn) does not carry the meaning of "a beginning of existence.

or present any occurrence of the genitive phrase "firstborn of ..." which does not include the subject as part of the group.".

hi aggressive questions present the logical fallacy of false dilemma.

I_love_Jeff

The apologists states: "Give at least one example in the bible where the word PROTOTOKOS (firstborn) does not carry the meaning of "a beginning of existence. Or present any occurrence of the genitive phrase "firstborn of ..." which does not include the subject as part of the group."

Hi aggressive questions present the logical fallacy of false dilemma. I gave the answers to the first part of the question but for somereason it was not good enough for him.

1) Special status, i.e., the supremacy in rank, associated with a firstborn. Id. Besides Luke 2:27, there are seven other usages of prototokos in the New Testament: Romans 8:29; Colossians 1:15, 18; Hebrews 1:6, 11:28, 12:23; and Revelation 1:5. None of these usages in conjunction with Christ make reference to His physical birth. The Septuagint (the Old Testament written in Greek) also uses prototokos in reference to the supremacy in rank as in Psalm 89:27 [NASB95], which reads, "I also shall make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth."

More answers would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!!

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