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  Does forever mean forever?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  1 chronicles 28:9 "and you, my son solomon, acknowledge the god of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought.

  if you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

  is the word "forever" literal or figurative?

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  I_love_Jeff

  You are welcome MissFit
  
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  Does forever mean forever?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1 chronicles 28:9 "and you, my son solomon, acknowledge the god of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought.

  if you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

  is the word "forever" literal or figurative?

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  I_love_Jeff

  THANK YOU Vidqun!!
  
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  Does forever mean forever?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1 chronicles 28:9 "and you, my son solomon, acknowledge the god of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought.

  if you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

  is the word "forever" literal or figurative?

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  I_love_Jeff

  More recent teachings springs from a failure to study the meaning of the Hebrew word olam ( עֹלָם ) in the Old Testament and an ignorance of various linguistic principles.
  
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  Does forever mean forever?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1 chronicles 28:9 "and you, my son solomon, acknowledge the god of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought.

  if you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

  is the word "forever" literal or figurative?

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  I_love_Jeff

  Perry- The Ancient Hebrews saw it differently. English translators changed the meaning to the English way of thinking and so on and so forth.
  
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  Does forever mean forever?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1 chronicles 28:9 "and you, my son solomon, acknowledge the god of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought.

  if you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

  is the word "forever" literal or figurative?

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  I_love_Jeff

  Many Non Hebrew written Bibles mistranslate the word "olam"
  
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  Does forever mean forever?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1 chronicles 28:9 "and you, my son solomon, acknowledge the god of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought.

  if you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

  is the word "forever" literal or figurative?

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  I_love_Jeff

  Professor Knappe of Halle wrote, "The Hebrew was destitute of any single word to express endless duration. The pure idea of eternity is NOT FOUND IN ANY OF THE ANCIENT LANGUAGES." (CAPS emphasis
  are mine).
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  Does forever mean forever?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1 chronicles 28:9 "and you, my son solomon, acknowledge the god of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought.

  if you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

  is the word "forever" literal or figurative?

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  I_love_Jeff

  "If we translate the Greek word aionios either by everlasting or by age-lasting we meet with inconsistencies and contradictions. If we trace it back to its roots in the Hebrew word olam, pointing us to the unseen, timeless realm of God the Scriptures take on new and consistent meaning.

  Everything described by the word aionios or aeonian is rooted in the timeless nature of God. Everything aeonian relates to him. Aeonian life and aeonian fire are aeonian because they are part of the nature of God, who is from everlasting to everlasting, from olam to olam. These things exist for the whole of human time, and they go beyond into the timeless and invisible realm of the spirit. They go beyond the comprehension of our time-limited minds and belong to the timeless and spiritual realm of God"

  http://www.growthingod.org.uk/aeonian-realm.htm
  
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  Does forever mean forever?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1 chronicles 28:9 "and you, my son solomon, acknowledge the god of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought.

  if you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

  is the word "forever" literal or figurative?

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  I_love_Jeff

  Of course we must view the context, a rule of exegesis, to determine when it is being used in some sense as truly forever such as-ISAIAH 9:6- "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

  When the term is used to describe a very powerful being such as Jehovah the "Everlasting Father" then we must view it in a literal sense.

  The context says it all. When understood from an ancient Hebrew viewpoint, the passages used (containing "forever" and "Earth) by Jehovah's Witnesses to prove a restored Earth throws a wrench into their structured doctrine.
  

  
  
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  Does forever mean forever?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1 chronicles 28:9 "and you, my son solomon, acknowledge the god of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought.

  if you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

  is the word "forever" literal or figurative?

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  I_love_Jeff

  Forever (olam) has been arbitrarily interpreted by many to fit whatever it is that they want to believe as to how long something lasts. Sound familiar????
  
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  Does forever mean forever?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1 chronicles 28:9 "and you, my son solomon, acknowledge the god of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought.

  if you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

  is the word "forever" literal or figurative?

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  I_love_Jeff

  You are welcome, Magnum

  The idea that olam did not always mean "eternity", but rather a limited period of time, is found in a number of Medieval Jewish writings. See Rambam, Moreh Nevuchim 2:28, and Albo, Sefer HaIkkarim, 3:16.