I_love_Jeff

Joined

• started 129 topics
• posted 328 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by I_love_Jeff

• 
  13

  Has Eternal Life become a carrot?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the insight on the scriptures volume 2 pages 248-249 the society says, "so with obedient mankind, when man's last enemy, death, is brought to nothing, there will be no sin working in their bodies to bring death.

  to time indefinite they will not need to die.

  the insight on the scriptures vol 2, page 1102 -what time indefinite can mean, "however, the hebrew expression 'ohlam' does not in itself mean "forever".

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  I_love_Jeff

  "is it just me, or does the curved stick holding the carrot in front of that guy look to anyone else like it might be anchored in his ass?"

  
  

  Ya you're right about that!!
  
• 
  13

  Has Eternal Life become a carrot?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the insight on the scriptures volume 2 pages 248-249 the society says, "so with obedient mankind, when man's last enemy, death, is brought to nothing, there will be no sin working in their bodies to bring death.

  to time indefinite they will not need to die.

  the insight on the scriptures vol 2, page 1102 -what time indefinite can mean, "however, the hebrew expression 'ohlam' does not in itself mean "forever".

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  I_love_Jeff

  In the Insight on the Scriptures Volume 2 pages 248-249 the Society says, "So with obedient mankind, when man's last enemy, death, is brought to nothing, there will be no sin working in their bodies to bring death. To time indefinite they will not need to die."

  The Insight on the Scriptures vol 2, page 1102 -what time indefinite can mean, "However, the Hebrew expression 'ohlam' does not in itself mean "forever". It often refers to things that have an end, but the period of such things' existence can be said to be 'to time indefinite' because the time of their end is not then specified."

  So even after the 1,000 years are over, Jehovah's Witnesses will remain mortal. They will always remain able to die if they are not obedient????
• 
  21

  If Adam and Eve were perfect, why did their immortality have to be sustained by the Tree of Life?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was access to this tree that kept adam and eve in a "perfect" state.

  that is why they were kicked out of the garden.

  actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  I_love_Jeff

  Interesting
• 
  21

  If Adam and Eve were perfect, why did their immortality have to be sustained by the Tree of Life?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was access to this tree that kept adam and eve in a "perfect" state.

  that is why they were kicked out of the garden.

  actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  I_love_Jeff

  Difference between immortality and everlasting life?????????
  
• 
  21

  If Adam and Eve were perfect, why did their immortality have to be sustained by the Tree of Life?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was access to this tree that kept adam and eve in a "perfect" state.

  that is why they were kicked out of the garden.

  actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  I_love_Jeff

  Jehovah's Witnesses say that immortality and everlasting life are two different things.

  https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150329094928AAUXXIN

  Immortality=quality of life

  Everlasting=???

  Questions From Readers
  ▪ What is the difference between immortality and everlasting life?
  Endless life will be enjoyed both by anointed ones receiving spirit life in heaven and by humans whom God declares righteous for life on the Paradise earth. So if you think about the outcome, immortality in heaven and everlasting life on earth result in basically the same thing—living forever. There are, though, some comments about immortality that can be made.
  The Greek word translated “immortality” (athanasia) is formed from the negative a and from thanatos, meaning “death.” Immortality thus has the basic sense of ‘without death,’ or deathlessness. Understandably, Jehovah is the absolute source of all life and is immortal. (Psalm 36:9; 90:1, 2) This is confirmed by the fact that his glorified Son, who now “is the reflection of [God’s] glory and the exact representation of his very being,” is described as “the King of those [men] who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, the one alone having immortality.” (Hebrews 1:3; 1 Timothy 6:15, 16) No creature can take Jesus’ life as an immortal, which makes him different from humans or spirits that can die. Further, we read: “Now that [Christ] has been raised up from the dead, [he] dies no more; death is master over him no more.”—Romans 6:9.
  Though immortality is, in a sense, everlasting life, immortality apparently implies more than that its possessor will live forever. It seems to indicate a particular quality of life, and it is linked with incorruption. The Bible says about spirit-anointed Christians who receive the heavenly reward: “This which is corruptible [in its human body] must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. But when this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying will take place that is written: ‘Death is swallowed up forever.’”—1 Corinthians 15:53, 54.
  Still, the Bible does not provide much detail about the quality of life termed immortality. We do know that mortal humans—even perfect humans having the prospect of endless life on earth—must eat and drink to maintain life, or they die and their bodies experience corruption. (Genesis 2:9, 15, 16) No doubt immortality involves a quality of life that does not need to be sustained like that. Thus it could be said that all who become immortal are not subject to death or that ‘death is master over them no more.’ That would harmonize, too, with their receiving incorruptibility, indicating that their spirit body or organism is inherently beyond decay, ruin or corruption. (Compare 2 Corinthians 5:1; Revelation 20:6.) In these ways a difference might be seen between immortality and everlasting human life.
  Jehovah God is the perfect Judge who rewards anointed ones with immortality. When he in his boundless wisdom and insight determines such ones to be completely tested and unquestionably qualified for immortality, we can trust that they will forever be faithful. All whom Jehovah judges worthy of endless life, whether as immortal spirits or as perfect humans, will be able to worship him forever. Thus, in the final analysis, both everlasting human life and immortality in heaven result in endless life.—John 17:3.
  4//1984 pg.30 Question from Readers Watchtower Mag.
  
  
• 
  21

  If Adam and Eve were perfect, why did their immortality have to be sustained by the Tree of Life?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was access to this tree that kept adam and eve in a "perfect" state.

  that is why they were kicked out of the garden.

  actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  I_love_Jeff

  Called eisegesis, perhaps?
  
• 
  21

  If Adam and Eve were perfect, why did their immortality have to be sustained by the Tree of Life?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was access to this tree that kept adam and eve in a "perfect" state.

  that is why they were kicked out of the garden.

  actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  I_love_Jeff

  If it can deprogram a cult member, I'll gladly take this journey.
  
• 
  21

  If Adam and Eve were perfect, why did their immortality have to be sustained by the Tree of Life?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was access to this tree that kept adam and eve in a "perfect" state.

  that is why they were kicked out of the garden.

  actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  I_love_Jeff

  It was access to this tree that kept Adam and Eve in a "perfect" state. That is why they were kicked out of the Garden. Actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion. How can it be reasonably asserted that their bodies were in a perfect, immortal state when the facts tell us otherwise?

  
  

  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Watchtower-of-Babel/1419357171623331

  http://www.watchtowerofbabel.com/

  http://watchtowerofbabel.blogspot.com/
  
  
• 
  4

  Did the Ancient Jews follow into the footsteps of their captors regarding the afterlife?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  job 14:22but his flesh upon him shall have pain, and his soul within him shall mourn.. physical sensation after deathwas it not the opinion of the ancient jews that the soul retained somewhat of the sensation of the flesh until the body had entirely dissolved?

  it would not be strange if such were the fact, considering the proximity of the jews to the egyptians; since the egyptians held the notion that the continuance of the souls existence depended upon the preservation of the bodily organism, a notion which led to the embalming and secure burial of the corpse.

  tacitus distinctly ascribes this notion to the jews as its originators.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  I_love_Jeff

  "So what was in the mind of Jesus when he said to the guy on the next cross "You will be with me in Paradise" ?

  Surely he is referring to a pleasant life in Heaven ? and the listener would have thought of this too.

  The JW's will use this scripture to back up their "earthly hope" idea, but I think it does the opposite.

  Your thoughts ??"

  Paradise, according to what I have read, is one of the compartments (for the righteous-OT) of Sheol.
  
• 
  4

  Did the Ancient Jews follow into the footsteps of their captors regarding the afterlife?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  job 14:22but his flesh upon him shall have pain, and his soul within him shall mourn.. physical sensation after deathwas it not the opinion of the ancient jews that the soul retained somewhat of the sensation of the flesh until the body had entirely dissolved?

  it would not be strange if such were the fact, considering the proximity of the jews to the egyptians; since the egyptians held the notion that the continuance of the souls existence depended upon the preservation of the bodily organism, a notion which led to the embalming and secure burial of the corpse.

  tacitus distinctly ascribes this notion to the jews as its originators.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  I_love_Jeff

  Job 14:22
  
  But his flesh upon him shall have pain, and his soul within him shall mourn.

  
  Physical sensation after death
  Was it not the opinion of the ancient Jews that the soul retained somewhat of the sensation of the flesh until the body had entirely dissolved? It would not be strange if such were the fact, considering the proximity of the Jews to the Egyptians; since the Egyptians held the notion that the continuance of the soul’s existence depended upon the preservation of the bodily organism, a notion which led to the embalming and secure burial of the corpse. Tacitus distinctly ascribes this notion to the Jews as its originators. There are also some Old Testament texts which at first glance seem to convey such a belief, e.g., verse 22, speaking of a man as dead, it adds, “But his flesh upon him shall have pain, and his soul within him shall mourn”; and Isa_66:24, “They shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against. Me; for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched.” Dillman and others regard these texts as proving that the Jews held to the doctrine of physical consciousness in the grave. Delitzsch regards the pain of the soul as merely sentimental, “The process of the corruption of the body casts painful reflections into the departed soul.” Professor Davidson admits thus much to have been the Jewish notion. “There are two ideas expressed—
  (1) That the body in the grave, being that of a still existing person, feels the gnawing and the wasting of corruption, and that the soul in sheol leads a mournful and dreary existence; and
  (2) That these elements of the person, though separated, still belong to the person.” Professor Evans says, “By poetic personification the mouldering flesh is here represented as sharing the aching discontent, the lingering misery of the imprisoned soul.” Similarly Dr. Barnes, “It is by the imagination that pain is here attributed to the dead body.” Professor Lochler inclines to the opinion that the Jews believed “that man carries with him to sheol a certain corporeality (a certain residue, kernel, or some reflex of the earthly body).” These passages, taken in view of the after revelation through Christ, may serve as illustration of how He delivered those “who all their lifetime were in bondage through fear of death,” as well as of the growing dawn light of the historic Scriptures. (Homiletic Monthly.)"

  Biblical Illustrator