Does Jehovah need any protection?

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does jehovah need to be protected by a zealous scribe***** (masoretic text) or anyone else?

deuteronomy 32:8 is a textbook example of how later scribes sometimes changed the biblical text in a misguided attempt to “protect” god’s reputation.

deut 32:8, eliminates references to other divine beings (32:8, “sons of god”; 32:43, “heavenly ones” and “gods”).

I_love_Jeff

Does Jehovah need to be protected by a zealous scribe***** (Masoretic Text) or anyone else?

Deuteronomy 32:8 is a textbook example of how later scribes sometimes changed the biblical text in a misguided attempt to “protect” God’s reputation. Deut 32:8, eliminates references to other divine beings (32:8, “sons of God”; 32:43, “heavenly ones” and “gods”). Also see Psalm 82: 5-7

*****This scribal practice of “protecting” God through textual changes is known as tiqqune sopherim (“emendations of the scribes”). See Emanuel Tov, Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible (Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 1992), pgs. 264–269. ↩

Masoretic Text. The Hebrew Scriptures as traditionally received. The two oldest copies of it are the Aleppo Codex and the Leningrad Codex—ca. 10th century ad.

Septuagint. A Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures. The oldest copies are in Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus—ca. 4th century ad.

Dead Sea Scrolls. Over 100,000 fragments of text, comprising more than 800 biblical and non-biblical manuscripts—ca. 250 BC–AD 70.

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Are there close parallels between Deuteronomy 32:8, Genesis 10 and the Ugaritic tablets?

by I_love_Jeff in

according to these sources (city of ancient ugaritic tablets found in 1928) , elyon divided up all the nations into seventy nations, one for each of his sons (elim) .

sons of god makes the most sense than the sons of israel-deut.

32:8 especially since there was no nation of israel listed in the table of nations.

I_love_Jeff

According to these sources (City of Ancient Ugaritic tablets found in 1928) , Elyon divided up all the nations into seventy nations, one for each of his sons (Elim)

Sons of God makes the most sense than the Sons of Israel-Deut. 32:8 ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE WAS NO NATION OF ISRAEL listed in the Table of Nations. Genesis 10-11

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20180429220936AAIrxut

Not sure why the Jehovahs are not answering me. Hummmm

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Are the "angels of God", and "sons of Israel" the same thing?

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just recently i posted a question on yahoo answers and asked a simple question to the jehovah's witnesses about the "sons of israel" and "sons of god".here is the question: .

are the "angels of god", and "sons of israel" the same thing?

if you apply the same translation (angels of god) in deuteronomy 32:43 to deuteronomy 32:8 we have this: when the most high divided the nations, when he separated the sons of adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of god.

I_love_Jeff

Thank you peacefulpete

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Are the "angels of God", and "sons of Israel" the same thing?

by I_love_Jeff in

just recently i posted a question on yahoo answers and asked a simple question to the jehovah's witnesses about the "sons of israel" and "sons of god".here is the question: .

are the "angels of god", and "sons of israel" the same thing?

if you apply the same translation (angels of god) in deuteronomy 32:43 to deuteronomy 32:8 we have this: when the most high divided the nations, when he separated the sons of adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of god.

I_love_Jeff

Just recently I posted a question on Yahoo answers and asked a simple question to the Jehovah's Witnesses about the "sons of Israel" and "sons of God".Here is the question:

Are the "angels of God", and "sons of Israel" the same thing?

Why did the Watchtower Library 2012 translate Deut 32:43 using the LXX Bagster BUT did not use the same translation for Deut 32:8?

If you apply the same translation (angels of God) in Deuteronomy 32:43 to Deuteronomy 32:8 we have this: When the Most High divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God." (See Bagster LXX Online)

Deut 32:8-Bagster LXX-ὅτε διεμέριζεν ὁ ὕψιστος ἔθνη ὡς διέσπειρεν υἱοὺς Αδαμ ἔστησεν ὅρια ἐθνῶν κατὰ ἀριθμὸν ἀγγέλων θεοῦ (angels of God)

*See Watchtower Library 2012*
(Deuteronomy 32:43) Be glad, YOU nations, with his people,*m (you have an asterisk and an "m") For he will avenge the blood of his servants, And he will pay back vengeance to his adversaries And will indeed make atonement for the ground of his people.”

(See Watchtower Library 2012)-Citation-m*“Be glad, O heavens, together with him, and let all the

angels of God (ἄγγελοι Θεοῦ-angels of God) worship him. Be glad, you nations, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him,” LXXBagster. Compare Heb 1:6.

Deut 32:43 εὐφράνθητε, οὐρανοί, ἅμα αὐτῷ, καὶ προσκυνησάτωσαν αὐτῷ πάντες ἄγγελοι Θεοῦ (angels of God)· εὐφράνθητε, ἔθνη μετὰ τοῦ λαοῦ αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἐνισχυσάτωσαν αὐτῷ πάντες υἱοὶ Θεοῦ· ὅτι τὸ αἷμα τῶν υἱῶν αὐτοῦ ἐκδικᾶται, καὶ ἐκδικήσει καὶ ἀνταποδώσει δίκην τοῖς ἐχθροῖς καὶ τοῖς μισοῦσιν ἀνταποδώσει, καὶ ἐκκαθαριεῖ Κύριος τὴν γῆν τοῦ λαοῦ αὐτοῦ.

Where is the Divine Assembly?

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where is the divine assembly mentioned in psalm 82?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq_phnl1b_o.

in an interview by your favorite radio station (lol) watchtower of babel, we ask dr. heiser (starts at 50:47 see link above) about the parallel passages: psalm 82 (divine council-sons of god) and psalm 89:5-7 [6-8] (sons of the most high) : .

I_love_Jeff

Where is the Divine Assembly mentioned in Psalm 82?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq_PHNL1B_o

In an interview by your favorite radio station (lol) Watchtower of Babel, we ask Dr. Heiser (starts at 50:47 see link above) about the parallel passages: Psalm 82 (Divine Council-Sons of God) and Psalm 89:5-7 [6-8] (Sons of the Most High) :

“Psalm 82:1 is perhaps the best example, as it employs the expression ʿdt ʾil(m)(Divine Council) (Hebrew: ףֲדַת־אֵל ) for the council, along with a transparent reference to gods under the authority of Israel's God: ‚God (אֱלֹהִים ) stands in the council of El/the divine council (ףֲדַת־אֵל ); among the gods (אֱלֹהִים ) he passes judgment.‛ The second occurrence of אֱלֹהִים (gods) must be semantically plural due to the preposition ‚in the midst of.‛ (Deut 32:8-9 (LXX, DSS). A parallel passage, Psalm 89:5-7 [6-8], places the God of Israel ‚in the assembly of the holy ones‛ (בִקְהַל קְדֹשִים ) and then asks ‚ [FOR WHO IN THE CLOUDS] (בַשַחַק ) can be compared to Yahweh? Who is like Yahweh among the sons of God (בְנֵי אֵלִים ), a god greatly feared in the council of the holy ones (בְסוֹד־קְדֹשִים )?‛ The divine council is in the heavens, not on earth where the Jewish judges are. (Caps/brackets are my own doing-showing emphasis)

Psalm 82.”-Dr. Heiser’s Essay on the Divine Assembly.

Read the entire essays here:

http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/Heiser%20Psa82inJohn10%20RegSBL2011.pdf

http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DivineCouncilLBD.pdf

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Is the Divine Council, Sons of God, on earth or in the heavens?

by I_love_Jeff in

in an interview by our radio station called watchtower of babel, we ask dr. heiser (skip to the fiftieth minute of the interview (50:47).

it is about 5 minutes long) about the parallel passages: psalm 82 (sons of god) and psalm 89:5-7 [6-8] (sons of the most high) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq_phnl1... “psalm 82:1 is perhaps the best example, as it employs the expression ʿdt ʾil(m)(divine council) (hebrew: ףֲדַת־אֵל ) for the council, along with a transparent reference to gods under the authority of israel's god: ‚god (אֱלֹהִים ) stands in the council of el/the divine council (ףֲדַת־אֵל ); among the gods (אֱלֹהִים ) he passes judgment.‛ the second occurrence of אֱלֹהִים (gods) must be semantically plural due to the preposition ‚in the midst of.‛ (deut 32:8-9 (lxx, dss).

a parallel passage, psalm 89:5-7 [6-8], places the god of israel ‚in the assembly of the holy ones‛ (בִקְהַל קְדֹשִים ) and then asks ‚ [for who in the clouds] (בַשַחַק ) can be compared to yahweh?

I_love_Jeff

In an interview by our radio station called Watchtower of Babel, we ask Dr. Heiser (skip to the fiftieth minute of the interview (50:47). It is about 5 minutes long) about the parallel passages: Psalm 82 (Sons of God) and Psalm 89:5-7 [6-8] (Sons of the Most High)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq_PHNL1...

“Psalm 82:1 is perhaps the best example, as it employs the expression ʿdt ʾil(m)(Divine Council) (Hebrew: ףֲדַת־אֵל ) for the council, along with a transparent reference to gods under the authority of Israel's God: ‚God (אֱלֹהִים ) stands in the council of El/the divine council (ףֲדַת־אֵל ); among the gods (אֱלֹהִים ) he passes judgment.‛ The second occurrence of אֱלֹהִים (gods) must be semantically plural due to the preposition ‚in the midst of.‛ (Deut 32:8-9 (LXX, DSS). A parallel passage, Psalm 89:5-7 [6-8], places the God of Israel ‚in the assembly of the holy ones‛ (בִקְהַל קְדֹשִים ) and then asks ‚ [FOR WHO IN THE CLOUDS] (בַשַחַק ) can be compared to Yahweh? Who is like Yahweh among the sons of God (בְנֵי אֵלִים ), a god greatly feared in the council of the holy ones (בְסוֹד־קְדֹשִים )?‛ The divine council is in the heavens, not on earth where the Jewish judges are. (Caps/brackets are my own doing-showing emphasis)

Psalm 82.”-Dr. Heiser’s Essay on the Divine Councel.

http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/Heiser%20Psa82inJohn10%20RegSBL2011.pdf

http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DivineCouncilLBD.pdf

After reading all of this material, is the Divine Council, Sons of God, on earth or in the heavens? What do you guys think?

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Has the Bible been redacted so that YAHWEH can be promoted to EL's position as Almighty God?

by I_love_Jeff in

for background, read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/yahweh, the section, "iron age i: el, yahweh, and the origins of israel.

" "el and his sons made up the assembly of the gods, each member of which had a human nation under his care, and a textual variant of deuteronomy 32:8–9 describes the sons of el, including yahweh, each receiving his own people.

"el, the kind, the compassionate,' 'the creator of creatures,' was the chief of the canaanite gods, and he, not yahweh, was the original 'god of israel'—the word 'israel' is based on the name el rather than yahweh.

I_love_Jeff

For background, read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh, the section, "Iron Age I: El, Yahweh, and the origins of Israel." "El and his sons made up the Assembly of the Gods, each member of which had a human nation under his care, and a textual variant of Deuteronomy 32:8–9 describes the sons of El, including Yahweh, each receiving his own people."

"El, the kind, the compassionate,' 'the creator of creatures,' was the chief of the Canaanite gods, and he, not Yahweh, was the original 'God of Israel'—the word 'Israel' is based on the name El rather than Yahweh. He lived in a tent on a mountain...with the goddess Asherah as his consort." [Ibid.]

Some parts of the Bible are alluding to a certain form of heavenly government, specifically the Divine Council, comprised of EL and his angelic sons. See the footnote for the phrase, "sons of the true God": a Hebrew idiom that refers to angelic sons of God at Job 1:6.

We need to take a closer look at the history of the Bible, the Israelites, and the name "Jehovah" that has been carelessly used to cover the various names and titles of gods that are NOT all the same.

Update: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

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Why are the human judges of Israel going to "die like Adam"?

by I_love_Jeff in

many jehovah's witnesses and other christians believe that psalm 82 is referring to human judges.

my question is this: .

how is this a form of punishment if in fact these are merely human judges who were already going to die?

I_love_Jeff

The sarim (fallen angels, Elohim) corruptly judged the nations. They will die like humans and fall like those bad angels that slept with the women mentioned in Genesis.

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Why are the human judges of Israel going to "die like Adam"?

by I_love_Jeff in

many jehovah's witnesses and other christians believe that psalm 82 is referring to human judges.

my question is this: .

how is this a form of punishment if in fact these are merely human judges who were already going to die?

I_love_Jeff

I think I understand what this is all about.

"....But ye shall die like adam, and fall like one of the sarim (princes)"

When the Elohim (Divine Beings) were administered to judge the earth, they became corrupt and so had fallen (like sarim (princes)) from heaven and died like men (part of the punishment for being corrupt judges).

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Why are the human judges of Israel going to "die like Adam"?

by I_love_Jeff in

many jehovah's witnesses and other christians believe that psalm 82 is referring to human judges.

my question is this: .

how is this a form of punishment if in fact these are merely human judges who were already going to die?

I_love_Jeff

"Another role given to the Sarim is the protection of the nations of the World. Some 70 angels where given this task. However, it is stated that all these angels fell from grace following the war in heaven, all accept the Archangel Michael. ( Click here for more information on the Fallen Angels).

Further confusion abound that there is referenceto Se'irim, or hairy demons as the word itself means, are mentioned in Leviticus 17:7 and 2 Chronicles 11:15 as "goat-demons". Isaiah 34:14 says that the "goat-demons" greet each other amoung the ruins of Edom...." The Book of Enoch mentions sa'ir, sa'irim which also refers to 'he-goats' of which the Angel Azazel was linked. "

http://www.archangels-and-angels.com/misc/sarim.html

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