In the "Book of Enoch", the archangels are also known as "The Watchers". What is the ancient aramaic word for archangels in the "Book of Enoch"? is it correctly interpreted to mean archangels or "The Watchers"? Does the ancient text refer to them as archangels? Are they high ranking officials ("Chief princes") like Michael the Archangel? The reason why I ask is that I plan on posting an interesting question regarding this subject matter on Yahoo answers. I know for sure that a Jehovah's Witness will question the ancient aramaic word for archangel and blow it off as meaning something else. Thank you. I would look it up in the Strong's Lexicon but of course the words from "The Book of Enoch" has been excluded from that lexicon. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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In the "Book of Enoch", is the word archangels (the Watchers) correctly interpreted as such from the ancient aramaic language?
by I_love_Jeff inin the "book of enoch", the archangels are also known as "the watchers".
what is the ancient aramaic word for archangels in the "book of enoch"?
is it correctly interpreted to mean archangels or "the watchers"?
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Regarding Revelations 3:12:Will the new name be called Jesus the Archangel, perhaps?
by I_love_Jeff inif jesus is michael the archangel then who is this in reference to "and i will write upon him my new name"?..
revelation 3:12 >>.
him that overcometh will i make a pillar in the temple of my god, and he shall go no more out: and i will write upon him the name of my god, and the name of the city of my god, which is new jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my god: and i will write upon him my new name..
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If Jesus is Michael the Archangel then who is this in reference to "and I will write upon him my new name"?.
Revelation 3:12 >>
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. -
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If solid proof were suddenly found that the Book of Enoch should be included in the standard Bible, would that pose a problem for the Jehovah's Witnesses in regards to Michael the Archangel as Jesus?
by I_love_Jeff inif the book of enoch (elaborates and gives mention to 6 more archangels) suddenly became part of the bible due to solid evidence, how would this effect the shakey jw doctrine of michael the archangel as being jesus?
there are six other archangels mentioned in this book; could it be possible, if included in the jw bible, that one of the other archangels could be jesus?
would they excuse it somehow and simply stick with their implicit understanding of jesus=michael?.
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It's really easy to say that the Bible is fiction and it should be thrown out with all the other ancient texts. If that's the case, then we should discontinue our studies, turn on network TV, watch some sitcoms and maybe a ball game, and drink ourselves to sleep ... go to work ... repeat. But if we want to make some progress in understanding religious belief systems, how they came about, how they are maintained, and the basis of their perpetuation, then we have to start measuring the relative value of religious literature, even if we don't believe that any of it is based in reality.
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If solid proof were suddenly found that the Book of Enoch should be included in the standard Bible, would that pose a problem for the Jehovah's Witnesses in regards to Michael the Archangel as Jesus?
by I_love_Jeff inif the book of enoch (elaborates and gives mention to 6 more archangels) suddenly became part of the bible due to solid evidence, how would this effect the shakey jw doctrine of michael the archangel as being jesus?
there are six other archangels mentioned in this book; could it be possible, if included in the jw bible, that one of the other archangels could be jesus?
would they excuse it somehow and simply stick with their implicit understanding of jesus=michael?.
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If the Book of Enoch (elaborates and gives mention to 6 more Archangels) suddenly became part of the Bible due to solid evidence, how would this effect the shakey JW doctrine of Michael the Archangel as being Jesus? There are six other Archangels mentioned in this book; could it be possible, if included in the JW bible, that one of the other archangels could be Jesus? Would they excuse it somehow and simply stick with their implicit understanding of Jesus=Michael?
(Daniel 10:13 describes Michael as "one of the chief princes." This possibly indicates that there is more than one archangel, because it places Michael on the same level as the other "chief princes.")
Jehovah's Witnesses state, "Well, the prefix "arch," meaning "chief" or "principal," implies that there is only one archangel."
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/85223/1/Jude-and-1-Enoch
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Daniel 10:13 "....Michael one of the chief princes."
by I_love_Jeff indaniel 10:13 describes michael as "one of the chief princes.
" this possibly indicates that there is more than one archangel, because it places michael on the same level as the other "chief princes.
jehovah's witnesses state, "well, the prefix "arch," meaning "chief" or "principal," implies that there is only one archangel.
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It makes we wonder why "The Book of Enoch" was not included in the Bible. Yes there are contradictions BUT some passages mentioned in Jude are from the Book of Enoch! Once again, this would pose a problem (re:the archangels) for the Jehovah's Witnesses if the book were included in the NWT.
http://www.realdevil.info/dig1.htm
Jude passages compared to Book Of Enoch passages
"Enoch the Seventh from Adam prophesied" Jude 14, Enoch 60:8
"dry springs" Jude 12, Enoch 48:1,96:6 dried up fountains
"waterless clouds" Jude 12 (Enoch 18:5,41:4-5,100:11-12)
"reserved for blackest darkness" Jude 13 (Enoch 21:3 "darkness shall be their dwelling" Enoch 46:6)
"trees without fruit" Jude 12 (Enoch 80:3)
"plucked up" Jude 13 (Enoch 83:4)
"raging waves" Jude 12 (Enoch 101:3-5)
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Daniel 10:13 "....Michael one of the chief princes."
by I_love_Jeff indaniel 10:13 describes michael as "one of the chief princes.
" this possibly indicates that there is more than one archangel, because it places michael on the same level as the other "chief princes.
jehovah's witnesses state, "well, the prefix "arch," meaning "chief" or "principal," implies that there is only one archangel.
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Leolaia and pseudo I plan on using your notes for my next YA question. Would you mind if I quoted some of your material? Incredible responses from you both!! Much appreciated!!!
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Daniel 10:13 "....Michael one of the chief princes."
by I_love_Jeff indaniel 10:13 describes michael as "one of the chief princes.
" this possibly indicates that there is more than one archangel, because it places michael on the same level as the other "chief princes.
jehovah's witnesses state, "well, the prefix "arch," meaning "chief" or "principal," implies that there is only one archangel.
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The Book of Enoch, if someday included in their NWT, would definitly pose a problem for the Jehovah's Witnesses since it does discuss seven Archangels- Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, Raguel, Uriel, Saraqael, and Remiel.
Here is the Michael formula "one of the chief princes." + not the only Archangel=not necessarily the messiah.
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Daniel 10:13 "....Michael one of the chief princes."
by I_love_Jeff indaniel 10:13 describes michael as "one of the chief princes.
" this possibly indicates that there is more than one archangel, because it places michael on the same level as the other "chief princes.
jehovah's witnesses state, "well, the prefix "arch," meaning "chief" or "principal," implies that there is only one archangel.
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Interesting point pseudoxristos
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Daniel 10:13 "....Michael one of the chief princes."
by I_love_Jeff indaniel 10:13 describes michael as "one of the chief princes.
" this possibly indicates that there is more than one archangel, because it places michael on the same level as the other "chief princes.
jehovah's witnesses state, "well, the prefix "arch," meaning "chief" or "principal," implies that there is only one archangel.
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Daniel 10:13 describes Michael as "one of the chief princes." This possibly indicates that there is more than one archangel, because it places Michael on the same level as the other "chief princes."
Jehovah's Witnesses state, "Well, the prefix "arch," meaning "chief" or "principal," implies that there is only one archangel." Yes it does IMPLY that there is one archangel, but did they overlook Daniel 10:13 giving reference to more than one archangel among the angels?
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Did Jesus insult the Pharisees?
by I_love_Jeff inthis question not only aplies to jehovah's witnesses but to christians as well.
any one have a clear answer for me?
did jesus revile?
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Thank you Leolaia, Band on the Run, TD, King Solomon.
Leolaia quoted-"Jesus is portrayed particularly by Matthew as a Torah-observant reformer critical of the practices of the Pharisees while recognizing their halakhic authority".
So it really comes down to constructive critisism. I suppose this was normal practice of criticising one another among the Christian Jews and the Pharisees. With all the info you have given Leolaia, I thank you.