The sarim (fallen angels, Elohim) corruptly judged the nations. They will die like humans and fall like those bad angels that slept with the women mentioned in Genesis.
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Why are the human judges of Israel going to "die like Adam"?
by I_love_Jeff inmany jehovah's witnesses and other christians believe that psalm 82 is referring to human judges.
my question is this: .
how is this a form of punishment if in fact these are merely human judges who were already going to die?
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Why are the human judges of Israel going to "die like Adam"?
by I_love_Jeff inmany jehovah's witnesses and other christians believe that psalm 82 is referring to human judges.
my question is this: .
how is this a form of punishment if in fact these are merely human judges who were already going to die?
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I_love_Jeff
I think I understand what this is all about.
"....But ye shall die like adam, and fall like one of the sarim (princes)"
When the Elohim (Divine Beings) were administered to judge the earth, they became corrupt and so had fallen (like sarim (princes)) from heaven and died like men (part of the punishment for being corrupt judges).
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Why are the human judges of Israel going to "die like Adam"?
by I_love_Jeff inmany jehovah's witnesses and other christians believe that psalm 82 is referring to human judges.
my question is this: .
how is this a form of punishment if in fact these are merely human judges who were already going to die?
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I_love_Jeff
"Another role given to the Sarim is the protection of the nations of the World. Some 70 angels where given this task. However, it is stated that all these angels fell from grace following the war in heaven, all accept the Archangel Michael. ( Click here for more information on the Fallen Angels).
Further confusion abound that there is referenceto Se'irim, or hairy demons as the word itself means, are mentioned in Leviticus 17:7 and 2 Chronicles 11:15 as "goat-demons". Isaiah 34:14 says that the "goat-demons" greet each other amoung the ruins of Edom...." The Book of Enoch mentions sa'ir, sa'irim which also refers to 'he-goats' of which the Angel Azazel was linked. "
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Why are the human judges of Israel going to "die like Adam"?
by I_love_Jeff inmany jehovah's witnesses and other christians believe that psalm 82 is referring to human judges.
my question is this: .
how is this a form of punishment if in fact these are merely human judges who were already going to die?
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I_love_Jeff
Many Jehovah's Witnesses and other Christians believe that Psalm 82 is referring to human judges. My question is this:
How is this a form of punishment if in fact these are merely HUMAN judges who were already going to die?Update: See Psalm 82Orthodox Jewish Bible
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Tehillim 82:7 (OJB) But ye shall die like adam, and fall like one of the sarim (princes)My question/s is/are not meant to start a debate/s or hate campaign/s with anyone. Just trying to understand the logic here. Thank you. -
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How did we get from singular ha-Elohim (God) to plural ha-Elohim (judges)?
by I_love_Jeff inread exodus 22:6-8
jps tanakh : 6 when a man gives money or goods to another for safekeeping, and they are stolen from the man’s house if the thief is caught, he shall pay double; 7 if the thief is not caught, the owner of the house shall come near (נקרב) to god (האלהים) that he has not laid hands on the other’s property.
8 in all charges of misappropriation pertaining to an ox, an ***, a sheep, a garment, or any other loss, whereof one party alleges, “this is it” the case of both parties shall come before god (האלהים): he whom god (אלהים ) declares guilty (ַיְר ִשי ֻףן) shall pay double to the other.
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OP???
David_Jay not sure what is going on but I do know this: I enjoy digging deep into the heart of the Bible and investigating that which is mysterious. Thank you for your scholarly information.
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How did we get from singular ha-Elohim (God) to plural ha-Elohim (judges)?
by I_love_Jeff inread exodus 22:6-8
jps tanakh : 6 when a man gives money or goods to another for safekeeping, and they are stolen from the man’s house if the thief is caught, he shall pay double; 7 if the thief is not caught, the owner of the house shall come near (נקרב) to god (האלהים) that he has not laid hands on the other’s property.
8 in all charges of misappropriation pertaining to an ox, an ***, a sheep, a garment, or any other loss, whereof one party alleges, “this is it” the case of both parties shall come before god (האלהים): he whom god (אלהים ) declares guilty (ַיְר ִשי ֻףן) shall pay double to the other.
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Thank you Cold Steel for all your valuable information
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How did we get from singular ha-Elohim (God) to plural ha-Elohim (judges)?
by I_love_Jeff inread exodus 22:6-8
jps tanakh : 6 when a man gives money or goods to another for safekeeping, and they are stolen from the man’s house if the thief is caught, he shall pay double; 7 if the thief is not caught, the owner of the house shall come near (נקרב) to god (האלהים) that he has not laid hands on the other’s property.
8 in all charges of misappropriation pertaining to an ox, an ***, a sheep, a garment, or any other loss, whereof one party alleges, “this is it” the case of both parties shall come before god (האלהים): he whom god (אלהים ) declares guilty (ַיְר ִשי ֻףן) shall pay double to the other.
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@ David_Jay
Check out some of Michael Heiser's (Phd) other material when you have time. Interesting.
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How did we get from singular ha-Elohim (God) to plural ha-Elohim (judges)?
by I_love_Jeff inread exodus 22:6-8
jps tanakh : 6 when a man gives money or goods to another for safekeeping, and they are stolen from the man’s house if the thief is caught, he shall pay double; 7 if the thief is not caught, the owner of the house shall come near (נקרב) to god (האלהים) that he has not laid hands on the other’s property.
8 in all charges of misappropriation pertaining to an ox, an ***, a sheep, a garment, or any other loss, whereof one party alleges, “this is it” the case of both parties shall come before god (האלהים): he whom god (אלהים ) declares guilty (ַיְר ִשי ֻףן) shall pay double to the other.
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@ David_Jay
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DivineCouncilLBD.pdf
It is all about staying away from polytheism. Read the essay. Very interesting.
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How did we get from singular ha-Elohim (God) to plural ha-Elohim (judges)?
by I_love_Jeff inread exodus 22:6-8
jps tanakh : 6 when a man gives money or goods to another for safekeeping, and they are stolen from the man’s house if the thief is caught, he shall pay double; 7 if the thief is not caught, the owner of the house shall come near (נקרב) to god (האלהים) that he has not laid hands on the other’s property.
8 in all charges of misappropriation pertaining to an ox, an ***, a sheep, a garment, or any other loss, whereof one party alleges, “this is it” the case of both parties shall come before god (האלהים): he whom god (אלהים ) declares guilty (ַיְר ִשי ֻףן) shall pay double to the other.
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Read Exodus 22:6-8
JPS Tanakh
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6 When a man gives money or goods to another for safekeeping, and they are stolen from
the man’s house if the thief is caught, he shall pay double; 7 if the thief is not caught, the owner of the house shall come near (נקרב) to God (האלהים) that he has not laid hands on the other’s property. 8 In all charges of misappropriation pertaining to an ox, an ***, a sheep, a garment, or any other loss, whereof one party alleges, “This is it” the case of both parties shall come before God (האלהים): he whom God (אלהים ) declares guilty (ַיְר ִשי ֻףן) shall pay double to the other.
hā·’ĕ·lō·hîm — 366 Occurrences
I asked Jehovah's Witnesses:Jehovah's Witnesses: How did the word ha-Elohim in Exodus 22:6-8 become a plural translation?
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20170506211530AAv72Yg
HA-ELOHIM the [TRUE GOD]
8 Occurrences for hā·’ĕ·lō·hîm to mean judges.
Exodus 21:6 הָ֣אֱלֹהִ֔ים (judges?) (singular w/definite article)
Exodus 22:8 הָ֣אֱלֹהִ֔ים (judges?) (singular w/definite article)
Exodus 22:9 הָ֣אֱלֹהִ֔ים (judges?) (singular w/definite article)
"For discriminating students of the Sacred Scriptures the New World Translation preserves all the uses of ha-el and ha-elohim in the Hebrew texts by translating such accurately as “the [true] God.” " Watchtower 1966 pg 526 par.17
So how did we get from singular ha-Elohim (God) to plural ha-Elohim (judges)?
"Observe that in Noah’s history recording the days of Enoch, after idolatry had become practiced, the true worshipers frequently put a definite article ha before el or elohim to indicate “the true God” Jehovah as distinct from the false gods who were also being referred to as el or elohim but not as ha-el or ha-elohim". pg 526 par. 16 Watchtower 1966
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Are the Jehovah's Witnesses allowed to check a source if it leads to apostate literature?
by I_love_Jeff inin this link (http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/2013/11/walter-martins-kingdom-of-cults-amounts.html) you will find an article written by bar_anerges (jehovah's witness and most likely an elder.
popular on yahoo answers and else where..) in the article he quotes from an apostate named james penton (see link below).
is it possible for jehovah's witnesses to peruse penton's work without putting their relationship with jehovah in jeopardy?
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In this link (http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/2013/11/walter-martins-kingdom-of-cults-amounts.html) you will find an article written by BAR_ANERGES (Jehovah's Witness and most likely an elder. Popular on Yahoo Answers and else where..) In the article he quotes from an apostate named James Penton (see link below). Is it possible for Jehovah's Witnesses to peruse Penton's work without putting their relationship with Jehovah in jeopardy? In a situation like this, should they just accept what Bar is saying without looking it up for themselves (even though he looks up everything for himself)? Why is an allegedly-active Jehovah's Witness elder looking at apostate material anyway? Should the JWs follow his lead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBD8Bd5f9-c
Checkmate?
Original Question: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20160522132445AAq9zCC