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  Has the Bible been redacted so that YAHWEH can be promoted to EL's position as Almighty God?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  for background, read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/yahweh, the section, "iron age i: el, yahweh, and the origins of israel.

  " "el and his sons made up the assembly of the gods, each member of which had a human nation under his care, and a textual variant of deuteronomy 32:8–9 describes the sons of el, including yahweh, each receiving his own people.

  "el, the kind, the compassionate,' 'the creator of creatures,' was the chief of the canaanite gods, and he, not yahweh, was the original 'god of israel'—the word 'israel' is based on the name el rather than yahweh.

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  For background, read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh, the section, "Iron Age I: El, Yahweh, and the origins of Israel." "El and his sons made up the Assembly of the Gods, each member of which had a human nation under his care, and a textual variant of Deuteronomy 32:8–9 describes the sons of El, including Yahweh, each receiving his own people."
  
  "El, the kind, the compassionate,' 'the creator of creatures,' was the chief of the Canaanite gods, and he, not Yahweh, was the original 'God of Israel'—the word 'Israel' is based on the name El rather than Yahweh. He lived in a tent on a mountain...with the goddess Asherah as his consort." [Ibid.]
  
  Some parts of the Bible are alluding to a certain form of heavenly government, specifically the Divine Council, comprised of EL and his angelic sons. See the footnote for the phrase, "sons of the true God": a Hebrew idiom that refers to angelic sons of God at Job 1:6.
  
  We need to take a closer look at the history of the Bible, the Israelites, and the name "Jehovah" that has been carelessly used to cover the various names and titles of gods that are NOT all the same.

  Update: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
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  Why are the human judges of Israel going to "die like Adam"?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  many jehovah's witnesses and other christians believe that psalm 82 is referring to human judges.

  my question is this: .

  how is this a form of punishment if in fact these are merely human judges who were already going to die?

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  The sarim (fallen angels, Elohim) corruptly judged the nations. They will die like humans and fall like those bad angels that slept with the women mentioned in Genesis.
  
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  Why are the human judges of Israel going to "die like Adam"?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  many jehovah's witnesses and other christians believe that psalm 82 is referring to human judges.

  my question is this: .

  how is this a form of punishment if in fact these are merely human judges who were already going to die?

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  I think I understand what this is all about.

  "....But ye shall die like adam, and fall like one of the sarim (princes)"

  When the Elohim (Divine Beings) were administered to judge the earth, they became corrupt and so had fallen (like sarim (princes)) from heaven and died like men (part of the punishment for being corrupt judges).
  
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  Why are the human judges of Israel going to "die like Adam"?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  many jehovah's witnesses and other christians believe that psalm 82 is referring to human judges.

  my question is this: .

  how is this a form of punishment if in fact these are merely human judges who were already going to die?

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  "Another role given to the Sarim is the protection of the nations of the World. Some 70 angels where given this task. However, it is stated that all these angels fell from grace following the war in heaven, all accept the Archangel Michael. ( Click here for more information on the Fallen Angels).

  Further confusion abound that there is referenceto Se'irim, or hairy demons as the word itself means, are mentioned in Leviticus 17:7 and 2 Chronicles 11:15 as "goat-demons". Isaiah 34:14 says that the "goat-demons" greet each other amoung the ruins of Edom...." The Book of Enoch mentions sa'ir, sa'irim which also refers to 'he-goats' of which the Angel Azazel was linked. "

  http://www.archangels-and-angels.com/misc/sarim.html
  
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  Why are the human judges of Israel going to "die like Adam"?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  many jehovah's witnesses and other christians believe that psalm 82 is referring to human judges.

  my question is this: .

  how is this a form of punishment if in fact these are merely human judges who were already going to die?

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  Many Jehovah's Witnesses and other Christians believe that Psalm 82 is referring to human judges. My question is this:
  

  How is this a form of punishment if in fact these are merely HUMAN judges who were already going to die?

  Update: See Psalm 82

  
  

  Orthodox Jewish Bible
  Chapter Parallel
  Tehillim 82:7 (OJB) But ye shall die like adam, and fall like one of the sarim (princes)

  
  

  My question/s is/are not meant to start a debate/s or hate campaign/s with anyone. Just trying to understand the logic here. Thank you.
  

  
  
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  How did we get from singular ha-Elohim (God) to plural ha-Elohim (judges)?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  read exodus 22:6-8

  jps tanakh : 6 when a man gives money or goods to another for safekeeping, and they are stolen from the man’s house if the thief is caught, he shall pay double; 7 if the thief is not caught, the owner of the house shall come near (נקרב) to god (האלהים) that he has not laid hands on the other’s property.

  8 in all charges of misappropriation pertaining to an ox, an ***, a sheep, a garment, or any other loss, whereof one party alleges, “this is it” the case of both parties shall come before god (האלהים): he whom god (אלהים ) declares guilty (ַיְר ִשי ֻףן) shall pay double to the other.

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  OP???

  David_Jay not sure what is going on but I do know this: I enjoy digging deep into the heart of the Bible and investigating that which is mysterious. Thank you for your scholarly information.
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  How did we get from singular ha-Elohim (God) to plural ha-Elohim (judges)?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read exodus 22:6-8

  jps tanakh : 6 when a man gives money or goods to another for safekeeping, and they are stolen from the man’s house if the thief is caught, he shall pay double; 7 if the thief is not caught, the owner of the house shall come near (נקרב) to god (האלהים) that he has not laid hands on the other’s property.

  8 in all charges of misappropriation pertaining to an ox, an ***, a sheep, a garment, or any other loss, whereof one party alleges, “this is it” the case of both parties shall come before god (האלהים): he whom god (אלהים ) declares guilty (ַיְר ִשי ֻףן) shall pay double to the other.

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  Thank you Cold Steel for all your valuable information
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  How did we get from singular ha-Elohim (God) to plural ha-Elohim (judges)?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read exodus 22:6-8

  jps tanakh : 6 when a man gives money or goods to another for safekeeping, and they are stolen from the man’s house if the thief is caught, he shall pay double; 7 if the thief is not caught, the owner of the house shall come near (נקרב) to god (האלהים) that he has not laid hands on the other’s property.

  8 in all charges of misappropriation pertaining to an ox, an ***, a sheep, a garment, or any other loss, whereof one party alleges, “this is it” the case of both parties shall come before god (האלהים): he whom god (אלהים ) declares guilty (ַיְר ִשי ֻףן) shall pay double to the other.

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  @ David_Jay

  Check out some of Michael Heiser's (Phd) other material when you have time. Interesting.
  

  http://drmsh.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/MHeiserCV-1.pdf
  
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  How did we get from singular ha-Elohim (God) to plural ha-Elohim (judges)?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read exodus 22:6-8

  jps tanakh : 6 when a man gives money or goods to another for safekeeping, and they are stolen from the man’s house if the thief is caught, he shall pay double; 7 if the thief is not caught, the owner of the house shall come near (נקרב) to god (האלהים) that he has not laid hands on the other’s property.

  8 in all charges of misappropriation pertaining to an ox, an ***, a sheep, a garment, or any other loss, whereof one party alleges, “this is it” the case of both parties shall come before god (האלהים): he whom god (אלהים ) declares guilty (ַיְר ִשי ֻףן) shall pay double to the other.

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  @ David_Jay

  http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DivineCouncilLBD.pdf

  It is all about staying away from polytheism. Read the essay. Very interesting.
  
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  How did we get from singular ha-Elohim (God) to plural ha-Elohim (judges)?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read exodus 22:6-8

  jps tanakh : 6 when a man gives money or goods to another for safekeeping, and they are stolen from the man’s house if the thief is caught, he shall pay double; 7 if the thief is not caught, the owner of the house shall come near (נקרב) to god (האלהים) that he has not laid hands on the other’s property.

  8 in all charges of misappropriation pertaining to an ox, an ***, a sheep, a garment, or any other loss, whereof one party alleges, “this is it” the case of both parties shall come before god (האלהים): he whom god (אלהים ) declares guilty (ַיְר ִשי ֻףן) shall pay double to the other.

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  Read Exodus 22:6-8
  
  JPS Tanakh
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  6 When a man gives money or goods to another for safekeeping, and they are stolen from
  the man’s house if the thief is caught, he shall pay double; 7 if the thief is not caught, the owner of the house shall come near (נקרב) to God (האלהים) that he has not laid hands on the other’s property. 8 In all charges of misappropriation pertaining to an ox, an ***, a sheep, a garment, or any other loss, whereof one party alleges, “This is it” the case of both parties shall come before God (האלהים): he whom God (אלהים ) declares guilty (ַיְר ִשי ֻףן) shall pay double to the other.
  
  hā·’ĕ·lō·hîm — 366 Occurrences
  
  

  I asked Jehovah's Witnesses:
  

  Jehovah's Witnesses: How did the word ha-Elohim in Exodus 22:6-8 become a plural translation?

  https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20170506211530AAv72Yg
  

  
  

  HA-ELOHIM the [TRUE GOD]
  
  8 Occurrences for hā·’ĕ·lō·hîm to mean judges.
  
  Exodus 21:6 הָ֣אֱלֹהִ֔ים (judges?) (singular w/definite article)
  Exodus 22:8 הָ֣אֱלֹהִ֔ים (judges?) (singular w/definite article)
  Exodus 22:9 הָ֣אֱלֹהִ֔ים (judges?) (singular w/definite article)
  
  "For discriminating students of the Sacred Scriptures the New World Translation preserves all the uses of ha-el and ha-elohim in the Hebrew texts by translating such accurately as “the [true] God.” " Watchtower 1966 pg 526 par.17

  
  

  So how did we get from singular ha-Elohim (God) to plural ha-Elohim (judges)?

  
  

  "Observe that in Noah’s history recording the days of Enoch, after idolatry had become practiced, the true worshipers frequently put a definite article ha before el or elohim to indicate “the true God” Jehovah as distinct from the false gods who were also being referred to as el or elohim but not as ha-el or ha-elohim". pg 526 par. 16 Watchtower 1966