Posts by Panda

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Do Circuit Overseers Give Up Their Lives For Jehovah?

by minimus in

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i've heard for years how we should really appreciate the circuit overseers and their wives for all that they give up to enter the circuit work... do you think that's true?

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Panda

I agree with Logansrun. Power is an aphrodisiac. WHo wouldn't enjoy the smiling fauning greetings by a new cong every week. Yes the work is intense. And probably initially the incentive is to serve. At some point the Cos must realize that they are the circuit managers of a publishing corp. They have to recognise and dismiss this as soon as it hits their logic meter.. then zap turn that baby off quick. I think that there is a psychological term for this, cognative disonance?

In SanAntonio there was a couple getting into the circuit work, the wife was the one pushing for her husband to sell everything and serve the master. Linda and Dave Martin. They had one son who refused to have anything to do with the WTS and joined another church. The son who stuck around was useless BUT he married the DO's daughter. I'll never forget when one of Linda's best friends was dying how she still made service her priority. Really sad. I have no idea where they are now. But I do know that Dave was smart enough to eventually figure out who he was really working for, I hope.

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Then Leave.com

by SheilaM in

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friends

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i love this website

http://www.asmincorp.com/thenleave/thenleave_001.htm

Panda

I agree with the post (from berylblue?) about getting involved if you want changes. Those changes can be local no national. I saw this bumper sticker in an ad on the .net

I'm Pro-Choice and I Vote

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Younger generation lnot reaching out and quitting the truth

by truthseeker in

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i was recently reading some old posts, when i came acoss one of maximus' posts about children leaving the truth.. link is here for anyone who wants to read it... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/10417/1.ashx .

it has been roughly two years since the last post on this.

any ideas as to the percentage of children/young adults leaving?

Panda

I remember when I first registered on this sight that most of the posters were young. I felt like wow! everyone my age is still IN. This year I see so many more of my peer-class that I wonder what got them onto the internet ... their kids? I remember when we de-borged that the "young ones" in the cong were leading double lives and/or leaving. I wish more that we knew would leave.

The WTS has a date setting fanaticism. While blood, smoking, organ transplant, age of a man, service hours to remain active yadda yadda yadda will change, their claim to secret knowledge from god will remain. Just sucker in somemore seekers of Bible secrets. I think that's actually the way all religions set the traps.

My dream (and maybe someone will set the dates for this) --- Everyone EVERYONE will understand that the Bible is a book written by humans, even more important compiled by humans. When this most secular of holy objects is given its proper position as literature, when folks understand that the judeo-christian belief systems are superstitions promoted by patriarchal/archaic societies, then humanity will pay attention to the here and now, the planet, our species, other species, the people around us who we can help ... No thrones or cherubs or seraphim or god or son-of-god. Just now, make it good now.

Panda

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Then Leave.com

by SheilaM in

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friends

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i love this website

http://www.asmincorp.com/thenleave/thenleave_001.htm

Panda

Hmmm --- I've lived in other countries. Next to America I liked China. Not because of politics but because of the people. I do love America, even more as I've gotten older and travelled more. There is no place like this anywhere and I'll use the fact that you will not be imprisoned if you voice an opposing opinion. Imagine what would happen to the dessenter in central America? If someone wants a free ticket from that silly website, well I hope they get it. That doesn't mean they'll give up their citizenship when it all comes down to it, as many friends from other countries have said to me, Americans are free to think it's better somewhere else. As for Egypt, fine if you're a man or a mummy. Only problem in the US as far as I see --- "One Nation Under-Educated."

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Do Circuit Overseers Give Up Their Lives For Jehovah?

by minimus in

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friends

i've heard for years how we should really appreciate the circuit overseers and their wives for all that they give up to enter the circuit work... do you think that's true?

?

Panda

CO's? Well when we were pioneers we were friends with CO's and had a few assembly parts. I remember Hugh Coller (their son Presley was at Bethel and the WTS made him leave when he got sick). We were friends with Jamie and Susan Herd who eventually went to Bethel, she got a brain tumor and they were asked to leave, oh but they were never CO's just reg Pio forever . Oh but Lyman Pinard and his wife were Co's, I remember it was a time we had some $$$ so I bought her clothes. Oh aand a youngish couple were our co's in Bulverde Tx and they got sent to (I think west Texas) where they had an apartmentand everything bought for them, furniture dishes , I mean stuff the rf's could never have. They also spent a weekend in Paris, I'll never forget the postcard fromthem and I thought "shit" I've never been to Paris. She can buy her own makeup from now on. It was quite awhile before I realized the money gifts from everyone. And it's the congregations that pay for the cars because the cars stayed in the circuit. I've also heard of CO's who stayed in the work long past retirement because they had no income and no SS because they hadn't "worked."

I think that the DO's got more ganxie because they were the most sought after for dinner during assemblies, they would every once in awhile spill some secret beans from mother. They also got the European and Hawaiian vacations.

And I can't rememebr the name of another CO and his wife in SanAntonio who left the borg, I don't know what happened to them?

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JW Spys????

by 2escaped lifers in

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forgive a newbie question, but do any "in" jw's lurk in these forums to ferret out potential apostates?

just curious?.

brandon

Panda

escapees, Of course they are here! In fact I'd guess that the WTS has their own homeworld dubs scoping and posting. It's all so silly. Every once in awhile you'll read a post which is confronted by one of the assistants or simon, after awhile you'll see the little signs of dubdom and know that they think they'll get some damning info. However, my guess is that they get some good sense info on the mothership and may someday leave too. Panda

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Coming out of the closet/Blowing my cover/My story and I'm sticking to it!

by HadEnuf in

dear friends:.

what a pleasure it has been to browse this website over the past couple of years...first as a lurker and then as a member.

i now intend to "come out of the closet"...blow my cover and tell you my story (and i'm sticking to it!).

Panda

Cathy L, My husband just faded away, and guess what, he's the one the jws try to contact! I wrote a DA letter because I had previously written a letter to the Catholic church telling them I was resigning, so why not write one to the jws? for me it was cathartic. Fading is good and worked fine for Nick, but that letter set me freer I guess because I wrote it and knew they'd have to keep it. Therese aka PANDA

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Our argument finall settled....with the Bible!

by bikerchic in

every morning craig and i have this same arguement, but i finally settled it and with his own bible!.

we start every morning having this argument about who should brew the coffee each morning.. .

i say, "you should do it, because you get up first, and then we don't have to wait as long to get our coffee.".

Panda

This is my strange and wonderful coffe story... ever since we left the borg he-brews the coffee every morning In fact , Nick's coffee brewing has attained superior status. So I must allow him the honors everyday. Even sundays because we don't6 get up to go to meetings anymore.

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Christianity promotes a helpless victim mentality...

by logansrun in

i'm going to be a man of few words here.

christianity, in it's truest, fundamentalist form, promotes an unhealthy and non-productive victim mentality.

the christian feels helpless on his own -- condemned by sin and absolutely unworthy.

Panda

"Religion is the opium of the masses." Mao This was a very derogatory remark concidering that the Chinese had fought the Opium Wars against the western nations and lost. This allowed the Christian west to continue to sell opium to the Chinese. Purposely addicting them. Anyone who could get the m$$$ together smoked the goopy stuff. So Mao was blasting any form of SLAVERY to the west.

I find this quote from Mark Twain appropriate to this thread,

"Faith is believing what you know ain't so."

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Ex-Bethelite Admits to Murder at the JW Missionary Home in Samoa

by Room 215 in

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in perusing the information on randy watter's bethelite guest file, i came across a real shocker: an ex-bethelite turned missionary, mike adams, therein alleges to have murdered a missionary couple in the samoa missionary home where he was also assigned, and to having done 14 years in prison for the crime.

do any of you have any recollection of this?

Panda

Okay, I looked some info up about this murder in Samoa. Nothing really about the murders but, the court paper from 1996 where Mike Adams asked to be paroled and the court denied him access to the parole board. But 4 years later he was out. The murders were in January 1986, why???? I didn't find any news reports because the local Samoan paper (The Observer) only archived to a few years back . The victims names were Katherine and Edward Sedlack.

Interestingly today there is some news about Samoan religious riots! I'd really like to know why Adams had to kill the Sedlacks

And did the WTS take any blame for sending this murderer along with the couple? Or maybe the couple was already in Samoa? What, if anything did the families do to get restitution? Maybe it was an accident? I read another murder account in Samoa of a man shooting into the night and he killed someone(I think he got man-slaughter)

So I'll continue my sleuthing and let yah'll know Panda