Hey , WILDHORSES that's a neat list! And none of those famous people kept their masoness a secret. Although some like Anfrew Jackson and Rudyard Kipling were very racist.
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64HELP!!- JT asked to become a MASON!
by JT ini have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.
this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.
i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.
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HELP!!- JT asked to become a MASON!
by JT ini have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.
this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.
i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.
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JT - the founding fathers (brothers) of America were mostly Mason's and Unitarian in belief. George Washington and others had Masonic rites funerals (they wore the aprons and everything). Historians have written quite a lot about Masonic rites and US presidents and writers of the Constitutuon. Mainly, all very positive about their qualities etc. Washington, unlike Jefferson(wrote in Notes on the State of Vrginia that blacks were inferior) and Madison believed that the situation of black slaves was due to environment not nature; and that eventual emancipation and amalgamation would prove him right. He included in his will that his estate be sold off in pieces and given to his freed slaves. He believed this would be a model for other Virginians to follow. He attempted to address the First American's who had disagreements w/ whites expanding settlement in America. So historians look at actions to decide if GW walked the walk as well as talked the talk.
All in All, I wouldn't compare Masons with WTS. I think that the Masons were started as a way to survive in the early days of the Enlightenment in Europe. Many secret societies evoloved earlier in the 14 century and some like Masons were resurrected and continued. Every artisan group had a society with secrets of their own. The wool dyers and weavers had secret rites and handsignals. Mainly to protect the "secrets of the trade". Even artisits like Michelangelo had secrets for mixing their paints and which brushes were best etc. When men started their knitting guild the secrets were about stitch patterns. AND Masons were a guild originally.
My brother dated a daughter of the eastern star, they were even engaged for awhile and her family totally embraced him and it was nothing like a dub family would react. I would say that the Knights of Columbus was the Catholic answer to the Masons. But thats my opinion.
I don't know. I'm a lifetime member of Girl Scouts of America. My troop says the girl scout pledge and the pledge of allegiance. There are special hand signals and even special friendship circles and stuff like that. Are girl scouts a cult? No. So maybe Masons buy stuff from one another. I grew up on the east ciast where the Irish bought from Irish, Italians bought from Italians, so what?
And what about that Skull and Bones Club at Yale? Probably a collegiate form of Masonic rites. I don't think Masons break up families, or preach that only Masons will be saved.
If you want to do good in your community you don't have to be a Mason, but with your uncle you might enjoy the club. I hope no one on this board will disuade or condemn you if you decide to become a mason. Just like no one tries to dissuade those who have become Catholic or Baptist or atheist. Be happy with your own choices and decisons.
Panda Hugs JT and Mrs.JT
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Update on my Mom
by SheilaM inthunder called my sister today and she said the doctor said it would be as little as 48 hours before my mom passed away.
i am perplexed as to why they were giving her pain medication when she had no brain waves.
i do have to say that my two dysfunctional siblings are always able to hurt me even when i am not there.
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I am sorry that you have to deal with asshole relatives at a time you need to heal and remember.
Losing your Mom is, I think the worst. Its this whole connection to the past that's broken. I feel your loss and please accept my love. Panda
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Your Personal Pet Project
by Phantom Stranger inso...as fast company magazine used to ask - what are you working on?.
i have a screenplay i work on occasionally (a romantic comedy) and a nonfiction book about the area in which i grew up.. i also have a wedding in a year, and we are looking for a house to buy.. so what are y'all working on?.
and how can we support you?
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HMMMMMM .... I do have pets. 2 aquariums, one indoor cat, several million barn cats and feral cats who come to eat my dogs food, one llama, 3 great pyrenees, an escaped boa living under my neighbors house, I think that's it for now.
Other Pet projects:
Paying off billsMy husband
Junior Girl Scout troop 405
Organizing all of my projects
Stocking the icebox w/ beer for my friends
Library board (don't get excited it's just local)
Searching for a cure for my Chronic Urticaria (and not finding one ---Panda scratches)
Doing research on the China Marines.
Practicing Chinese so when I get well I can hi-tail it back to Shanghai.
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Jessica Lynch Book Trouble
by Panda inhas anyone seen the news about jessica lynch's book (which isn't even written yet).
on the news last night the father of one of lynch's company of soldiers was on tv stating that since his son was part of her experience that she should share the profits from her book.
his son was killed in that battle in iraq.
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Jessica Lynch Book Trouble
by Panda inhas anyone seen the news about jessica lynch's book (which isn't even written yet).
on the news last night the father of one of lynch's company of soldiers was on tv stating that since his son was part of her experience that she should share the profits from her book.
his son was killed in that battle in iraq.
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JT, Slavery is much worse than making money off other people. Last month's National Geographic had a story about real slavery going on today around the world. Real people selling their children. In India kids make glass bracelets. They are not allowed outdoors, barely fed and if they die so what? Adults in India sell themselves to work to pay other debts but guess what... they never pay the debts and are slaves to the people who bought them. If you get a chance please read about this real slavery today, it's not just some annecdote.
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Some Arguments Just Can't be Won. . .
by StinkyPantz in.and yet i still find myself engulfed in them.
starting a thread about abortion, homosexuality, religion, capital punishment, euthanasia, evolution, race relations, war, politics, ect.
are ultimately pointless.
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I remember believing the WTS knew what was right or wrong. I remember believing jws were the most loving organization. I remember thinking evolution was junk science. If people didn't present their arguments I may never have gotten my freedom.
Similarly, in CoC Ray gave the best arguments to leave the WTS. He spoke from authority and knowledge. So his arguments, though hard to digest if you're still borganated are logical and sound, EXCEPT if you are unwilling to accept them. So does that mean he has won or lost the argument. No. Because he's made his argument and proved his thesis.
A good argument is like a good cup of coffee, some like it bitter and others sweet.Panda
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Some Arguments Just Can't be Won. . .
by StinkyPantz in.and yet i still find myself engulfed in them.
starting a thread about abortion, homosexuality, religion, capital punishment, euthanasia, evolution, race relations, war, politics, ect.
are ultimately pointless.
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I remember believing the WTS knew what was right or wrong. I remember believing jws were the most loving organization. I remember thinking evolution was junk science. If people didn't present their arguments I may never have gotten my freedom.
Similarly, in CoC Ray gave the best arguments to leave the WTS. He spoke from authority and knowledge. So his arguments, though hard to digest if you're still borganated are logical and sound, EXCEPT if you are unwilling to accept them. So does that mean he has won or lost the argument. No. Because he's made his argument and proved his thesis.
A good argument is like a good cup of coffee, some like it bitter and others sweet.Panda
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Some Arguments Just Can't be Won. . .
by StinkyPantz in.and yet i still find myself engulfed in them.
starting a thread about abortion, homosexuality, religion, capital punishment, euthanasia, evolution, race relations, war, politics, ect.
are ultimately pointless.
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Panda
I remember believing the WTS knew what was right or wrong. I remember believing jws were the most loving organization. I remember thinking evolution was junk science. If people didn't present their arguments I may never have gotten my freedom.
Similarly, in CoC Ray gave the best arguments to leave the WTS. He spoke from authority and knowledge. So his arguments, though hard to digest if you're still borganated are logical and sound, EXCEPT if you are unwilling to accept them. So does that mean he has won or lost the argument. No. Because he's made his argument and proved his thesis.
A good argument is like a good cup of coffee, some like it bitter and others sweet.Panda
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