Posts by flamegrilled

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Some advice please?

by Wonka in

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a friend of mine i'm in lust with, has been trying to convert / recruit me.

she's been very pleasant with me and very patient with me.

she hasn't been very pushy which i appreciate.. she's even said that if at anytime i'm getting smothered or feel this religion isn't my thing, to say so and she will stop asking about it.

flamegrilled

If you 2 are over 21 get her a little tipsy and hit it.

dbnc - this is wrong by any standard of decency. There's a very fine line between what you are suggesting and 'date rape'. Who defines 'a little tipsy'?

Wonka - Whatever you do just work within the bounds of common human kindness. Even aside from the idea of delibrately setting someone up for the trauma of the JW judicial process, how do you want her to feel after this? Don't play with fire. Just talk over your honest feelings and research and see what happens. If you like her you will do the right thing.

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Is God Truly Omnipotent??

by Cold Steel in

while acknowledging god as the most powerful force in the universe, i wonder if he is omnipotent.

this thought came to me as i watched an old star trek: tng, where everyone's favorite fictional omnipotent being, q, was featured.. .

if he is omnipotent, why could he not remove the "bitter cup" of suffering from christ in the garden?

flamegrilled

I would challenge that. Doesn't Titus 1:2 say that God cannot lie?

Edenone - agreed. But this is not reflective of a lack of power. Omnipotence means "all powerful". Therefore he has the power to lie, but his nature restricts him from doing so.

In a transaction, one must pay and one must receive.

Cold Steel - when I used the term "the price he was prepared to pay" I didn't use it in the sense of a transaction. I know that some people try to explain the ransom in this way, but that is not my understanding. We can use the term "paying the price" without a transaction being involved. For example in a negative way we could say "Jimmy played on the railroad tracks despite his mother's warning, and he paid the price". The price was not paid to anyone. There was no beneficiary. It simply means that something was given up.

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Is God Truly Omnipotent??

by Cold Steel in

while acknowledging god as the most powerful force in the universe, i wonder if he is omnipotent.

this thought came to me as i watched an old star trek: tng, where everyone's favorite fictional omnipotent being, q, was featured.. .

if he is omnipotent, why could he not remove the "bitter cup" of suffering from christ in the garden?

flamegrilled

To me omnipotence means that there is no single act that he is not capable of doing.

There are two significant factors in that definition:

1) It simply says that there is nothing he is not capable of doing, but does not imply that he ought to do any particular act. So he has the unlimited potential to do anything, while at the same time remaining selective in terms of how he uses that potential.

2) I define it as "a single act" because when we look at situations involving multiple variables there are conflicts and paradoxes that arise. Is God capable of both killing me eternally and keeping me alive eternally at the same time in a single universe? The fact that this is not possible for God does not in any way detract from his omnipotence. It's just that we are capable of phrasing paradoxical questions that are outside of the realm of reality.

So could God have remove the cup from Jesus? Yes, as a single act he was obviously capable of doing so. But if he was going to do that then probably he could have avoided a lot of time wasting by wiping out Adam and Eve at the outset and starting again. Just because he was fully capable of doing something different does not mean that he will do so if it is not the best action. To assume that it was the best action is to work on the premise that there is nothing more important than for a loving Father to keep his Son from pain. Clearly from God's perspective this is not the case. There may have been nothing more painful than to watch his Son suffer and die, but that is a different matter from what he decided was most important and the price he was prepared to pay (John 3:16)

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LIST your 12 FAVORITES!

by Terry in

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favorite:.

1.book: godel,escher,bach: an eternal golden braid [douglas r. hofstadter] .

2.movie: synechdoche, new york (written and directed by charlie kauffman) .

flamegrilled

1.Book: Life of Pi [Yann Martel]

2.Movie: Un Coeur En Hiver [Claude Sautet]

3.Wine: Wolfball Black Label [2004]

4.Artist: Mark Rothko [biggest impact anyway]

5.Opera: Cosi Fan Tutti [Mozart]

6.Song: Baba O'Riley [The Who]

7.Classical composer: Frédéric Chopin [or Henryk Górecki as close 2nd]

8.Music (contemporary): Of Monsters and Men [just now rather than all time]

9. Painting: Black on Maroon [Rothko] [Vladimir Umanets is a c**t]

10.Scientist: Einstein [hands down]

11.Philosopher: Alan Turing [I understand he is not recognized as a philosopher strictly speaking, but in my view he is]

12.Car: TR5 [Triumph]

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Patterson on the line: Watchtower claims that paying cash bond would cause immediate irreparable harm and hardship

by cedars in

a new article for those who are interested.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/patterson-on-the-line-watchtower-claims-that-paying-cash-bond-would-cause-immediate-irreparable-harm-and-hardship.

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cedars.

flamegrilled

For mere oppression may make a wise one act crazy ' - Eccl. 7:7.

Hatred is what stirs up contentions, but love covers over even all transgressions .' - Proverbs 10:12

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Leolaia: Where is your story?

by pirata in

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i looked through your posts but couldn't find your life story.

have you written it?.

i would love to read your progression from/through jw to avid scholar :).

flamegrilled

I have to add my voice to this thread. This forum is often much deeper due to your contribution Leolaia. I really appreciate it.

I don't always agree with you, but you often cause me to think again. I have great respect for the way you present things honestly and without any apparent bias.

I have learned many new things through your posts.

Thanks again,

FG

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The Fear of Regret & Apostasy

by Emery in

first off a big thanks to everyone here, you have received me with much love and support.

i appreciate all that have contributed their time and hardwork over the years here at jwn.. this post here is directed to those who are on the fence like i was.

i hope this helps you in some way to understand both the doubts and indoctrination.. i am also currently an active jehovahs witness and have been for almost 20 years (26 years old).

flamegrilled

Sulla: But I've had dealings with more than my share of JW apologists and know enough to say that they all have the same diseases

That is generalization straight out of the WT. They would call all who were formerly associated who disagree with them "mentally diseased". To generalize in such a blanket way is to stoop to the level of someone who doesn't understand the issues or is trying to press a very specific agenda.

I think Emery made a perfectly reasonable post, and your response tries to undermine the strength of it. Many of us know the upside of the org. Denying it as if to say that someone is effectively "still in" by acknowledgeing any positive aspect does little to show a balanced view to those others who are on the fence.

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Help with Mathematical Concepts, Not Arithmetic

by Band on the Run in

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my math background is embarassing.

my public education was very sad.

although i received good grades in college track math courses, i never understood the underlying ideas or motivations.

flamegrilled

I am among the people who love mathematics. It can be argued that pure mathematics is the only non-subjective form of knowledge.

Most people who are not good at math just don't bother, or say that they dislike the subject. So I'd just like to give big respect to BotR for not having a good math education but having the desire to know more.

Often the subject becomes more exciting when applied to something you enjoy or find interesting in iteself. For example I am fascinated by probability, and as a consequence I find the game of poker to be a great outlet for my brain to sort out these concepts. I am not a gambler per se. I don't buy lottery tickets (mostly because I do understand probability well enough), but I find poker helps to keep my mind quite engaged in continuing to assess probability from various angles. As a result I find that many of the concepts translate well into other decision making situations in life.

My point is that the branches of mathementics are so numerous it's good to find something that peaks your interest. I like all math in principle, but some subjects are more interesting than others. Equations to me are interesting, but I can't see myself spending a lot of time on them. However a study of Alan Turing's work and how binary numbers can demonstrates the ultimate limits of AI and consciousness just helps me appreciate what an amazing world we live in.

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Add your favorite JW prayer cliche'

by King Solomon in

you know what i'm talking about: the trite, often-repeated phrases that convey the person offering the prayer has drawn a mental blank, and utters these words while their brain desperately searches for the next cliche', so they can conclude the ritual with the required tag, "in jesus' name we pray".... (is that like the postage stamp?).

ok, i'll kick this one off, and take the most obvious:.

"forgive us where we fall short....".

flamegrilled

Jake - that's funny I must've still been typing the same thought when you were posting yours.

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Add your favorite JW prayer cliche'

by King Solomon in

you know what i'm talking about: the trite, often-repeated phrases that convey the person offering the prayer has drawn a mental blank, and utters these words while their brain desperately searches for the next cliche', so they can conclude the ritual with the required tag, "in jesus' name we pray".... (is that like the postage stamp?).

ok, i'll kick this one off, and take the most obvious:.

"forgive us where we fall short....".

flamegrilled

Lately prayers have become a "how many times can I say Jehovah" during my prayer contest. I seems to just get thrown in like a word whisker like "um" would get used

So true. As if we would do that talking to our father. I don't even call my dad by his first name - I know some do these days. I find it less personal. But even if I did use his real name, if I said to him "and Joe could you do me a favour Joe, and Joe please look after mum because Joe you know she needs supporting ... Joe" he'd think I'd completely gone la-la.