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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

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  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  flamegrilled

  Hey, I just won the promise of eternal life in paradise!

  You can't ever prove that I won't get it so that means it's proof that I will.

  This "belief" stuff is really easy !!

  Awesome. Congrats.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  flamegrilled

  If you had a normal human capacity for knowledge, but had Superman's powers, would you have saved the victims of the tsunami?? Infinite knowledge is not required to save people, but it is a plus. DATA-DOG

  Yes. (Of course)
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  flamegrilled

  The only reason theists arguments go on and on is they refuse to accept things and be pinned down, they simply jump to some other point.

  Some might, but I don't think I have done that at any point in the discussion. In fact I have been careful to stick to the point, despite many invitations to go off on a tangent.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  flamegrilled

  I got to page 100 first - do I win a prize? Simon

  Yes, but you have to provide it and award it too :)
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  flamegrilled

  Again, the old stalwart of theist arguments - trying to make out that it's all unknown and so 50/50. Simon

  Not at all. I am not in any way of the mind that it is 50/50. I believe that Cofty is plain wrong. However I am not going to assert that there is logical certainty that he is wrong. This is the line that can either be crossed or it cannot.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  flamegrilled

  Pretending there are things we don't or can't know for an absolute certainty is just playing silly word games. Cofty

  This is one of the more ridiculous and illogical statements so far.

  To acknowledge that there are things we don't know is an act of wisdom, prudence, and frankly is the first step toward being able to understand anything at all. To say otherwise would demonstrate gross hubris and stupidity. No scientist would ever discover anything if they took such a position.

  To acknowledge that there may be things we can't know is a slightly different thing. But an assertion that that there is no such category of knowledge* clearly cannot be substantiated. If such a thing as a multiverse exists, we would by definition not be able to have knowledge of it. But are you going to say that it is therefore logically impossible? You would find it difficult to obtain support for such a position amongst intelligent company I venture.

  These statements are not "silly word games" Cofty. Neither is it "pretend". This is reality my friend, and unless you acknowledge that you will continue with your illogical conclusions.

  [*Knowledge in this case would have to be defined simply as "that which can be known by at least one being", since if we limit it to "that which can be known by humans in our universe" then of course there would be nothing that fits the second category.]
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  2596

  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  flamegrilled

  OK, the "I don't know" answer is really just a restatement that God knows more than we do. It is not really a direct answer to the question which would have to look something like "logically if I had access to the same information as the all loving omniscient God and if I was going to act in the long-term interests of all humanity then I would act the same way as he did". Therefore the answer is NO. But the answer would not be NO without that additional knowledge. The answer for me would be YES, but that would miss the point of the question which was framed "if you had the powers that God had".
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  flamegrilled

  We had more affection for them than the bible/christian God does for his children on earth. humbled

  I have no idea how you have measured this.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  flamegrilled

  interestingly, is it prudent to worship a god, you know so little about regarding his morals and actions? Maybe get to know his motives for what appears immoral, before getting down on your knees?

  You have jumped two steps ahead S&R. Nothing in what I wrote tells you how much I know regarding his morals and actions. You asked a very specific question about a particular event, and I answered very specifically as requested.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  flamegrilled

  please just a one word answer first. S&R

  Idon'tknowbecauseIdon'thavehisknowledge