Posts by flamegrilled

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

flamegrilled

My points were purposely crude and offensive DATA-DOG

@anyone other than DD - So how is that acceptable, and my decision to ignore certain comments is unacceptable?

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

I am not obliged to respond to every comment. I have ignored comments that were just rude or meaningless. I have ignored comments that are simply trying to draw out responses that can be misused. I believe that I have operated entirely within the rules of the forum (unlike some of the vulgar and angry speech that has featured on this thread). So in what way is that unacceptable?

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

flamegrilled

Simon gets a prize, cos on this site he is god. He has power over our continued forum existence and does take action when required. And that’s as close to heaven as we’ll ever be. TG

And if I were to form an opinion of what Simon is like as a person simply from the limited actions I have observed during this discussion I might reach certain conclusions. Would I be right?

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

flamegrilled

Elvis lives in me. You can't prove he doesn't. It's a mystery. I insist you accept it unless you can prove it's false. Simon

You are right that I can't prove it. Therefore I will not claim that there is a logical proof that it is impossible. I will simply treat the information in accord with my value system of whether it is likely/important or not. In this case I would simply ignore it.

I haven't asked anyone to accept a belief in God at any time in this conversation, let alone insisted on such acceptance.

The one insisting we accept something is Cofty, in case you haven't noticed after all this time.

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

flamegrilled

Hey, I just won the promise of eternal life in paradise!

You can't ever prove that I won't get it so that means it's proof that I will.

This "belief" stuff is really easy !!

Awesome. Congrats.

2596

The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

flamegrilled

If you had a normal human capacity for knowledge, but had Superman's powers, would you have saved the victims of the tsunami?? Infinite knowledge is not required to save people, but it is a plus. DATA-DOG

Yes. (Of course)

2596

The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

flamegrilled

The only reason theists arguments go on and on is they refuse to accept things and be pinned down, they simply jump to some other point.

Some might, but I don't think I have done that at any point in the discussion. In fact I have been careful to stick to the point, despite many invitations to go off on a tangent.

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

flamegrilled

I got to page 100 first - do I win a prize? Simon

Yes, but you have to provide it and award it too :)

2596

The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

flamegrilled

Again, the old stalwart of theist arguments - trying to make out that it's all unknown and so 50/50. Simon

Not at all. I am not in any way of the mind that it is 50/50. I believe that Cofty is plain wrong. However I am not going to assert that there is logical certainty that he is wrong. This is the line that can either be crossed or it cannot.

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

flamegrilled

Pretending there are things we don't or can't know for an absolute certainty is just playing silly word games. Cofty

This is one of the more ridiculous and illogical statements so far.

To acknowledge that there are things we don't know is an act of wisdom, prudence, and frankly is the first step toward being able to understand anything at all. To say otherwise would demonstrate gross hubris and stupidity. No scientist would ever discover anything if they took such a position.

To acknowledge that there may be things we can't know is a slightly different thing. But an assertion that that there is no such category of knowledge* clearly cannot be substantiated. If such a thing as a multiverse exists, we would by definition not be able to have knowledge of it. But are you going to say that it is therefore logically impossible? You would find it difficult to obtain support for such a position amongst intelligent company I venture.

These statements are not "silly word games" Cofty. Neither is it "pretend". This is reality my friend, and unless you acknowledge that you will continue with your illogical conclusions.

[*Knowledge in this case would have to be defined simply as "that which can be known by at least one being", since if we limit it to "that which can be known by humans in our universe" then of course there would be nothing that fits the second category.]