Posts by tornapart

Maybe George Lucas got it right in Star Wars and there's civilisations all over the universe with lesser beings and higher beings. Or something like Star Trek or Dr. Who....

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serious question for evolutionist,

by unstopableravens in

tornapart

LOL! Unstop, you make me smile. I know you're just winding them up... looks like you succeeded.

It is quite interesting to consider though because evolution is an on going thing. So it ought to make sense that man won't stay where he is but would continue to evolve in some way. Is man's skin colour some kind of evolution? The closer to the equator man lived the darker his skin and the further away, the lighter his skin. Until globalisation came and mixed it all up within a few hundred years.

Anyway, the way man's going he'll probably destroy the planet and everything on it and it'll all have to start all over again until eventually the sun dies....

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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'

by Simon in

jw
friends

it seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.

it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.

do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.

tornapart

RP:- I would rather focus on ones that are fading and contemplating leaving the movement, ie, ones that want help to escape WT."

I think that's where activism is at it's best.

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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses keep track of field service hours?

by Faithful Witness in

i understand that they claim to have the responsibility to preach to every corner of the earth, so they can encourage armageddon to come quickly.

(matthew 24:14 "and this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

what rationale do they have, for keeping track of their hours and literature placements?

tornapart

1st) so they can keep a track of everyone 2) So they know how much literature to produce. But mainly it's for the first reason.

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Scratch a Christian and see the Intolerance under the Skin

by fulltimestudent in

a bishop of the apostolic church (grandiose title, isn't it?

) in the cook islands, wants to ban local indians who are hindu's from celebrating their diwali festival.. he claims its blasphemy against the christian god, and that because the cooks islands is a christian country, no other form of worship should be permitted.. gotta love your average christian, don't you?

if they are banned or persecuted, they scream their heads off, but as soon as they control things they want to ban any alternative worship.. cooks bishop condemns diwali celebration as blasphemyupdated 15 november 2013, 14:52 aest.

tornapart

This guy who calls himself a Bishop is nothing more than ones of the Pharisees that Jesus condemned for their intolerance. Christian? I don't think so!!

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new watchtower on jw.org Americans don't know their own history

by hoser in

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friends

i started reading the feb 2014 public watchtower about a war that changed the world.

i had to do a double take in the very first paragraph.. .

"a century ago, millions of young men left the security of their homes and went off to war.

tornapart

Perhaps they should have read this first:-

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/america_and_world_war_one.htm

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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'

by Simon in

jw
friends

it seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.

it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.

do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.

tornapart

Just want to clarify what I meant by not thinking activism works. I didn't mean it doesn't work at all, just that it doesn't work with JWs who are completely under the mind control of the WTS.

Once someone starts to have any kind of doubt, it's great to have something in place to read, look at, watch etc! Kudos to all those who have websites, blogs, forums, video channels etc. that have helped all of us in one way or another!

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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'

by Simon in

jw
friends

it seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.

it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.

do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.

tornapart

I don't think activism really works. Put the info out there and let people come to it of their own accord. Trying to 'bring down' the WTS is never going to work.

Strong JWs will never read 'apostate' literature, watch 'apostate' videos. or chat to them outside a convention. I'm fully out mentally and I recognised some (from their youtube videos), waiting outside the convention. Even I didn't have the nerve to engage them, as I was with friends.

I think they are all stepping stones. A JW begins to have doubts, maybe over many years that he forces down or to the back of his mind. Then one day there is just one too many. This happened to me...

The 'overlapping generation' was that one too many. However for a year and a half after hearing it, I kept it to the back of my mind. I still wouldn't look at anything 'apostate' on the internet. What I did look at was Wikipedia. I found out about Ray Franz, my curiosity was piqued. 'There won't be any harm in reading his book' I thought, 'no one need know'. I couldn't get it through the post for fear of being discovered but I found a pdf. I read it and the rest is history. After that I had no problem reading JWfacts. I found JWstruggle and became friends with JJ...Eric (RayPublisher on here). Found a few more friends, found this place and started posting. I've watched many youtube videos, some I find thought provoking, others just seem to be a rant, which just turns me off completely. To my mind, the most effective are the ones done with respect, intelligence and thought.

The ones whose attention needs to be grabbed are not the hard line dyed-in-the-wool JWs, but the ones with doubts who are looking for answers. The gentler the approach, the more effectiveness it will have.