I think it probably depends a lot on the sort of elders there are. If they are laid back types and believe in personal freedom then you could get away with just fading. If they are the legalistic company men then they are more likely to come after you. Best bet is to just let them know you don't want to talk about anything to anyone (including them) and it's more likely you'll be left alone. I've been fading for three years and the elders know where I stand and they've not said anything at all to me. On the occasions I do go to the meeting all I get is a 'how lovely to see you' and a handshake. It can work.
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how is it that some fade out of the org and others seem to be pushed?
by sowhatnow ini cant figure out how some persons like my husband and son, simply got too 'busy' and gradually stopped going to meetings, and were totally left alone, and yet some persons.
seem to indicate that people were constantly in persuit of them, for a way to disfellowship them.. the ones who fade never get 'disfellowshiped' unless they write a letter formally requesting thier name be of the membership.. just like the jw org tells people who get baptised to do to thier former church,.
i havent been to a meeting in a few months however it is also under a 'remodel' im sure im not missed.
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For Bible believers-Inspired Bible?
by JWdaughter inone issue i have with declaring the bible an entirely inspired work from god is the bit in the ot about killing girls who were "proven"to not be virgins on their wedding night-by stoning them.
the absence of blood on the sheet or cloak was considered entirely valid proof that they were immoral and so they were to be stoned.. that is scientifically invalid.
not all girls bleed when they lose their virginity-in fact, the more skilled the partner, the less likely that they will bleed at all.
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tornapart
I think that a lot of the laws the Israelites had were actually man-made and not God-made. Maybe they crept in over time and blended in with the laws that actually did come from God. Jesus pointed his finger at the pharisees and condemned them for their traditions of men. The bible as we know it, wasn't put together until centuries after Jesus, so how much of it can be classified as 'inspired scripture' and how much is written by men?
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Index of my Watchtower Doctrine Threads
by cofty ini just wanted to put links to my watchtower threads all in the same place for my own benefit and future reference.. i wrote these 4 articles almost 20 years ago just after i left the watchtower and before i had encountered any ex-jw books or websites.
they were all based on original research of old wt publications and the nwt bible.. my explanation of why they got it wrong about blood using only the nwt.... i still think this line of reasoning is devastating to the blood doctrine.
i have yet to hear a rational response.. the gospel contrasted with the watchtower doctrine of the ransom.... i wrote this when i was an uber-evangelical.
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tornapart
Thanks Cofty. Very useful!
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Watcher says "unless Jehovah tells me otherwise" .... this is JW speak for "unless the WT organisation tells me otherwise".
JWs DO believe that salvation comes only through association with the organisation. To them Jesus Chrsit is not enough.
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WTS one step closer to "1984" - JW literature rewritten in online versions
by sir82 inlikely everyone here is familar with the novel "1984" - "he who controls the past, controls the future.
he who controls the present, controls the past".. take a look at wol.jw.org, insight book, topic "faithful and discreet slave".. current online wording: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001485.
jesus trained the apostles for the role they would have after pentecost 33 c.e.
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I'm with Oub on this. I can't see what is supposed to have been changed. Both sections are totally different with no context to show where it has been changed.
I can believe what you say but nothing you've posted proves it. I would have to go to my own hardback book and the library to check for myself. Not everyone has a hardback original copy so what does the words you've written prove?
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Are you interested in dropping your southern accent?
by jam inwell you are in luck, oak ridge national laboratory in.
tn offered a class for their 4000 employees from 90. different countries, get this,a class that teaches how to.
minimice a southern accent.
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tornapart
LOL! @Punk... my nan was a Cockney..
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Interesting article about Wikipedia edit wars! JW's rank near the top of religious editing!
by NoRegrets ini found this interesting!
the jw's are very,very busy trying to keep a hold on the real information regarding the group's ugly underbelly!.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/27/religion-wikipedia_n_5618877.html.
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tornapart
It was Wikipedia that actually set me off discovering TTATT. While reading some articles about JWs and what it had to say I read a little piece about Ray Franz. Curiosity being what it is I found his online book CoC and read it. After just three days that was it for me. So... thankyou Wikipedia!!
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Harrass them before they harrass you
by SonoftheTrinity inwhy don't dfs who really know how evil jehovah's witnesses are just harrass them as they go door knocking so that when someone intervenes to defend them they get a balanced story about what the jehovah's witnesses are all about.
the ones that were raised in it were raised to be anti-intellectual wusses, they aren't going to win a debate or kick anyone's ass.
but they certainly deserve philosophical and rhetorical smackdowns, they deserve haters standing in their way as they go harrassing everybody in the neighborhood.
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I would just suggest to get a life.
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Pixar the production company is jealous of Caleb and Sophia video's
by life is to short inso said the co last night.. apparently a jw was on a flight and just happend to sit next to some big wig from pixar and when the man from pixar heard that he was a jw the pixar man just gushed over what great work that the watchtower has done in producing the caleb video's.
he siad he only wished pixar could do such great work.
the co said we are able to do it because we have free labor and jehovah behind us.. my husband stayed home from the meeting but wanted to tie in by phone and that is what the co said in his talk.. the co also talked about all the changes that have happened in the last ten years and how if some of the friends did not like it they needed and to quote him "they just needed to get over it" these changes are going to happned period.
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The JW guy on the plane must have been Andre'......
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AN ALTERNATIVE CONVERSATION WITH A NEIGHBOR - Watchtower, October 2014
by AnnOMaly inthe contrived and unrealistic conversation that one of jehovahs witnesses imagined having with a neighbor in the october 2014 watchtower will not be reproduced here.
instead let us imagine another conversation another witness named andre (ahem, sorry) cameron has at the home of another man who is also named jon.keep searching for a suckercameron: jon, ive really enjoyed the regular discussions weve been having about the bible.
* the last time we spoke, you raised a question about gods kingdom.
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tornapart
Brilliant!