Posts by tornapart

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Is this a site controlled by atheists?

by The Rebel in

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under the exterior of being an ex- witness site, is this site simply converting atheism?.

i pose the question, because many come here in distress and insecurity with the realization that the w.t is wrong but still retain a belief in god.

my personal opinion is the threads on god are not challenged by an atheists personal animosity to believers, they are challenged and become confrontational because the atheist wants an elaboration and factual proof to a believers faith.. is this unreasonable?

tornapart

I've been a member of this site for 4 years now and whilst I've noticed there are a lot of atheists there are also many theists too. I would take a guess though that the vast majority are now agnostic and just want to get on and have a happy enjoyable life without being bothered by anything to do with religion.

I do think it's a shame though when someone new comes here still expressing a faith in God and being lambasted for it (unless of course they are trolling). I don't see it happen often but occasionally it does. As my username denotes, that is how I felt when I discovered TTATT. Having my faith in God challenged at the outset would have been something I couldn't have handled at the time. It's a long slow process for many to challenge dearly held beliefs for so long. It's important to be as welcoming as possible to newcomers and not bombard them with atheism at the outset.

Nice post Rebel

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Lost on how to respond...

by babygirl30 in

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friends

so an old friend of mine from the congregation hit me up today.

the story goes like this when we were jw's:.

- this guy used to be madly in love with me but i didn't see him as anything more than a friend.

tornapart

You could tell him that after 3 years you weren't expecting to hear from him. You hope he is well and you remember him with fondness (as a friend). Say that you know Jehovah has forgiven you (if indeed you did anything that needed forgiveness) and you are very happy in the place you now find yourself. You appreciate his concern but you won't be coming back, you have made a new life for yourself and being a Jehovah's Witness is no longer a part of it. Wish him well in his life and say goodbye.

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Evolution is a Fact #31 - Ten Questions for Creationists

by cofty in

i thought this would be a good time to pose some questions based on the series so far.. if creationism is true these should be easy.

answers that don't involve copy-paste would be really interesting to read.. ... .

1. since some proteins can be assembled in more ways than there are atoms in the universe why do the sequences of amino acids and bases vary between species in exactly the way evolution predicts?

tornapart

Ok Cofty, I'm going to bite the bullet. LOL

I'm not going to answer your questions one by one because I'm not clever enough but the evidence is clearly there for evolution. I still believe though in an ultimate creator at the start of it all. Basically I believe he set the ball rolling and then let nature take its course. I'm not expecting anyone else to concur, that's just my own personal take on it.

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Is Reading/Writing about Mythologies bad?

by Messhy in

as the topic title says, is reading/writing about mythologies bad?

i read alot of mythologies and enjoy it.

should i stop?.

tornapart

As a JW child I always loved to read mythologies, especially the Roman and Greek. I also used to love fairy stories. (My mum never knew, I just picked them up from the library). Guess I used to read the bible the same way. To me the stories in the bible seemed the same. Yet I used to believe they were all true, that the mythological stories were something to do with pre-flood times. I think maybe some stories were based on real events but exaggerated until they became unreal and more to do with someone's imagination like a sci-fi story. Whatever they are, they're fun to read.

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Evolution is a Fact #29 - Use it or Lose it

by cofty in

this is a small part of the southern side of an 18th century garden wall.

my house is just outside the north-east corner.. it is impossible to look at this picture and not notice that this section didn't start life as a garden wall.

we can clearly see the remains of a derelict house that has been incorporated into the garden.

tornapart

It's an incredibly fascinating subject and Cofty I think you've done an amazing job putting it all together in bite size pieces to help ones like me understand what it's all about!

I've always enjoyed nature programmes on TV, of all kinds, from David Attenborough's numerous series to Springwatch etc. Life and nature is simply incredible and I think creationists and evolutionists can all agree on that one! :)

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Evolution is a Fact #29 - Use it or Lose it

by cofty in

this is a small part of the southern side of an 18th century garden wall.

my house is just outside the north-east corner.. it is impossible to look at this picture and not notice that this section didn't start life as a garden wall.

we can clearly see the remains of a derelict house that has been incorporated into the garden.

tornapart

I don't usually post on these type of threads for fear of being vilified. even though I find them very interesting and well worth reading and appreciate very much the effort gone into writing them.

However I have to say this, when I see a 6 on a brick i know that some time in the past someone with intelligence has put it there. I see the same thing with DNA. To me it is like a computer software programme. Instead of 0s and 1s, it's ACGT. Simplistic I know but also complex when it's all put together. I'm not refuting evolution, I can see the arguements for it but I can also see intelligence behind it as I can in the number 6 on the brick and the binary code in computer software.

That's just my own personal take on it.

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So Proud of Pops

by brandnew in

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ok so a car pulls up to the house and 3 eldurrs from my dads congo come up.

they come in and have thee nerve to ask me to step out so they can speak to pops!!!!

this is the good part.....pops says...and i quote " whatever needs to be said..can be said in front of my son".

tornapart

It seems your dear pop has done more than his fair share of giving Brandnew..... now it's someone else's turn! So glad your pops is sticking to his guns and giving them nothing, ...the weasles!!

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What song explains what you have gone through in life?

by brandnew in

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this is mine....watch "coolio ft. l.v - gangsta's paradise (official music video)" on youtubehttps://youtu.be/cpgbzylnz7c

tornapart

Holding Back the Years- Simply Red

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our secret dating got caught...

by trueloveneverfails94 in

we both are 21 years old.

i am almost done with my study and working on to become one of an unbaptized publisher.

tornapart

You and your girlfriend are old enough to be married without anyone's permission. She does not need her parents permission. Why on earth would she need her parents permission to either see you or hold hands with you?

We had a couple in our congregation. They were in their 30's. She was a pioneer and he was studying (like you). They started dating. There was even a 'marking' talk from the platform about it. They were both sat in the audience while it was given. It made no difference, they carried on seeing each other. They didn't care what anyone else thought. They got married, he got baptised. They are still part of the congregation and nobody says anything anymore, they are just another couple.

Don't let anyone else push you around or make you feel bad. It's your life and her life, no one elses. Live it how you want. As adults you don't need anyone telling you how you should live it.

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The people are mobilizing Mr Drumpf

by Simon in

protesters shut down a trump rally.

massive numbers of people are out in chicago and have shut his event down.

there were scuffles inside the event.. despite his lame attempt to pretend the violence he instigates is nothing to do with him it's clear that it is as the cnn quotes during the last event showed only too well.. this doesn't happen at anyone else's events - candidates have even given up the stage to protesters, not called for them to be beaten and punched.. trump is an ugly person and this is just a small taste of what a future under his rule would be like.. shame on the gop for not kicking his ass out.

tornapart

if this is how he stirs things up in his own rallies, I dread to think what could happen IF he becomes president.... rattling things up with another lunatic Kim Jong-un could spell disaster...