tornapart
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Caption This Photo From The January Study Edition
by JW_Rogue inso as some are probably aware the january study edition has two articles on the anointed.
one basically discouraging people from believing they are anointed and another about how ones should view partakers.
this photo is from the second article:.
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Guy with the glasses looks like he's played some prank on the bread as he's trying not to laugh and not to look, while brother anointed is wondering.. "what the heck is on this stuff?"... -
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What precisely is TTATT.
by atomant inpardon my ignorance but lm a newby in here.lve tried researching it but l cant find a definitive answer.ls it dealing with one particular subject or multiple subjects?.thankyou in advance.regards atomant.my mistake.i meant ttatt.sorry.
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Jws call their religion 'the truth'.... but is it?
So finding out what is the real truth about the religion, it's history, its forever changing teachings, the things it hides... is called The truth about the truth.... TTATT for short.
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Original Sin / Salvation without a literal Adam and Eve?
by Coded Logic insomething i've never understood is if adam and eve are just metaphorical where did "original sin" come from.
and, if there was no original sin, what is the value of jesus sacrifice?.
i know a lot of christians believe in evolution but i've never understood how such a belief is structured.
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@HB... thanks for all those intriguing questions. I haven't thought about it too much in depth at the moment. I guess it's very hard to come up with some kind of answer because the truth is I don't know. All I know is that from a spiritual point of view man is very different from animals and I believe it came about very suddenly rather than gradually and I think that had something to do with God deciding that these humans should be different.
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Identity Theft
by Jerryh inthis forum offers the stories of folks with as many variations as there are folks and a “great crowd” of lurkers whose stories may never be offered.
i am an outsider with a broken heart for some insiders that i love more than they know.
after reading nearly every “apostate” book ever written, lurking, being worn out searching the wt cd, i have come to an idea that i present for your appraisal..
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@Jerryh... yes my immediate family know I reject the teachings of WT and that I don't believe in their 1914 version of the kingdom or in two classes of christians. Or that only they will be saved. They know what I believe or don't believe and they accept it. -
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$10 per pub. Money begging session last night
by StarTrekAngel inlast night, during our "christian life and ministry" meeting, we had a session on local needs.
elder opened the talk with a disclaimer saying that this was a reminder (cited psalms about how david loved jehovahs reminders).
he reminded us of how bless we are of having our own local assembly hall.
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When Jesus collected money he collected it to give to the poor. -
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Original Sin / Salvation without a literal Adam and Eve?
by Coded Logic insomething i've never understood is if adam and eve are just metaphorical where did "original sin" come from.
and, if there was no original sin, what is the value of jesus sacrifice?.
i know a lot of christians believe in evolution but i've never understood how such a belief is structured.
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tornapart
Haven't read all the posts on this yet but this is something that really interests me as a christian. I can't refute evolution as a process and believe God has a hand in it somewhere. This rules out a literal Adam and Eve... however. most historians recognize that civilisation started around 6,000 years ago in the Mesopotamian area. Could 'Adam' and 'Eve' have been the change between animal like humans with no 'spiritual' side to humans who became 'in God's image' with a spiritual nature? I believe there was a human rebellion against God with man aspiring to become 'like God'. Leading to the coming of Christ and everything that went with it.
I'm still trying to work things out in my mind as to what I believe and don't believe (which is freeing in itself as I don't have anyone else tell me what I should believe). At the moment I'm open to all thoughts and ideas. Having said that I still believe in God and Christ and still consider myself christian. But science can't be refuted.
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Identity Theft
by Jerryh inthis forum offers the stories of folks with as many variations as there are folks and a “great crowd” of lurkers whose stories may never be offered.
i am an outsider with a broken heart for some insiders that i love more than they know.
after reading nearly every “apostate” book ever written, lurking, being worn out searching the wt cd, i have come to an idea that i present for your appraisal..
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I have come to believe the simple Gospel of Christ that goes against the WT teachings and conforms more to mainstream christianity. I can no longer preach the 'different kind of gospel' that WT teaches. If I go to meetings it's simply for the sake of my family. They still believe in the WT teachings (even if not all) and find they can still follow Christ in their own way. It's hard to try and live the way Christ taught when so much goes against WT teachings but I'm sure he understands. -
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I got 6/7 too. Got caught on the last one.. but not bad for someone that knows very little about evolution. Must be down to Cofty's lessons...
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Your Jehovah’s Witness Is Showing
by David_Jay insince i just signed up and posted a few times without doing this yet, here is my story..
i think that i became a jehovahs witness because of my immaturity.
i had some quirky personality traits, and i joined finding that i fit in because, as i said to myself: these people get me.
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Your friends the Randalls sound like wonderful people!
The thing I hate most about the JWs is their 'I'm right, you're wrong' approach and unfortunately that mentality has a tendency to stick regardless of where your new beliefs take you, be it theism or atheism. The best people to be around are those that are intelligent enough to have a great discussion with and yet open minded enough to allow others to have their own beliefs about things without belittling them. Your friends sound like exactly those sort of people.
That was a great post and something for each of us to think about and try not to let our 'Jehovah's Witness show'!
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Living Through the Brief Liberalization of Jehovah's Witnesses, Never Recovering
by TMS inwith the book crisis of conscience detailing the turbulence at bethel during the early to mid 70's, the transformation from autocratic rule to governance by committee or a body of men, many of us can speak to how that felt among the rank and file of the local congregations during those years.
we learned new concepts based in large part to research done for the aid to bible understanding volume, then we were asked or coerced into unlearning those principles, going back to the old ways.
some of us never readjusted, finding ourselves very different from our more hardline compadres.. the inertia for the changes that eventually were initiated in the congregations came from the discovery that the greek words episkopos and presbyteros were used biblically to refer to all qualified men in a congregation, not just one.
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I remember these years as a teen, They were the best years, apart from a few hardliners in the cong, it was mostly an easy time. There were several changes and generally for the better. It wasn't until I read Ray Franz' book CoC recently that I realised a lot of those changes were brought about under his influence. Such a shame there weren't more like him. Things could have been so different.