Posts by tornapart

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Another one bites the dust...

by StarTrekAngel in

so despite glimpses of hope here and there, the wife is just not seeing this cult for what it is.. so who is the one the bit the dust?

i've not been feeling so well lately.

a bit of lightheadedness.

StarTrekAngel, I really feel for you. I'm in a similar situation, my hubby is an elder and I don't want to have anything more to do with it all. Sometimes we have words, sometimes I feel he understands. On the whole it's very difficult, I feel bad when he goes to the meetings and out in the FS without me but know I just can't do it anymore. I go to the odd meeting if I feel I can cope.

I've found the best way to deal with it is to try and be the best wife I can be in other ways (even if I fail at least I'm trying). Long weekends away are good when we can connect without the 'elephant in the room' getting in the way. I try and focus on things that have nothing to do with the WT and if he brings anything up I try and deflect the conversation, or just go along with what he's saying, showing interest in people we both know and like. I've given up on doctrine, scandals or anything that might cause an argument. There is more to life than religion.

Try and rebuild your relationship without the religion getting in the way. respecting how the other feels and going along with it helps a lot even if it's frustrating at times. If you truly love each other then it will work out.

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Caption This Photo From The January Study Edition

by JW_Rogue in

so as some are probably aware the january study edition has two articles on the anointed.

one basically discouraging people from believing they are anointed and another about how ones should view partakers.

this photo is from the second article:.

tornapart

Guy with the glasses looks like he's played some prank on the bread as he's trying not to laugh and not to look, while brother anointed is wondering.. "what the heck is on this stuff?"...

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What precisely is TTATT.

by atomant in

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pardon my ignorance but lm a newby in here.lve tried researching it but l cant find a definitive answer.ls it dealing with one particular subject or multiple subjects?.thankyou in advance.regards atomant.my mistake.i meant ttatt.sorry.

tornapart

Jws call their religion 'the truth'.... but is it?

So finding out what is the real truth about the religion, it's history, its forever changing teachings, the things it hides... is called The truth about the truth.... TTATT for short.

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Original Sin / Salvation without a literal Adam and Eve?

by Coded Logic in

something i've never understood is if adam and eve are just metaphorical where did "original sin" come from.

and, if there was no original sin, what is the value of jesus sacrifice?.

i know a lot of christians believe in evolution but i've never understood how such a belief is structured.

tornapart

@HB... thanks for all those intriguing questions. I haven't thought about it too much in depth at the moment. I guess it's very hard to come up with some kind of answer because the truth is I don't know. All I know is that from a spiritual point of view man is very different from animals and I believe it came about very suddenly rather than gradually and I think that had something to do with God deciding that these humans should be different.

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Identity Theft

by Jerryh in

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this forum offers the stories of folks with as many variations as there are folks and a “great crowd” of lurkers whose stories may never be offered.

i am an outsider with a broken heart for some insiders that i love more than they know.

after reading nearly every “apostate” book ever written, lurking, being worn out searching the wt cd, i have come to an idea that i present for your appraisal..

tornapart

@Jerryh... yes my immediate family know I reject the teachings of WT and that I don't believe in their 1914 version of the kingdom or in two classes of christians. Or that only they will be saved. They know what I believe or don't believe and they accept it.

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$10 per pub. Money begging session last night

by StarTrekAngel in

last night, during our "christian life and ministry" meeting, we had a session on local needs.

elder opened the talk with a disclaimer saying that this was a reminder (cited psalms about how david loved jehovahs reminders).

he reminded us of how bless we are of having our own local assembly hall.

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When Jesus collected money he collected it to give to the poor.

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Original Sin / Salvation without a literal Adam and Eve?

by Coded Logic in

something i've never understood is if adam and eve are just metaphorical where did "original sin" come from.

and, if there was no original sin, what is the value of jesus sacrifice?.

i know a lot of christians believe in evolution but i've never understood how such a belief is structured.

tornapart

Haven't read all the posts on this yet but this is something that really interests me as a christian. I can't refute evolution as a process and believe God has a hand in it somewhere. This rules out a literal Adam and Eve... however. most historians recognize that civilisation started around 6,000 years ago in the Mesopotamian area. Could 'Adam' and 'Eve' have been the change between animal like humans with no 'spiritual' side to humans who became 'in God's image' with a spiritual nature? I believe there was a human rebellion against God with man aspiring to become 'like God'. Leading to the coming of Christ and everything that went with it.

I'm still trying to work things out in my mind as to what I believe and don't believe (which is freeing in itself as I don't have anyone else tell me what I should believe). At the moment I'm open to all thoughts and ideas. Having said that I still believe in God and Christ and still consider myself christian. But science can't be refuted.

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Identity Theft

by Jerryh in

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this forum offers the stories of folks with as many variations as there are folks and a “great crowd” of lurkers whose stories may never be offered.

i am an outsider with a broken heart for some insiders that i love more than they know.

after reading nearly every “apostate” book ever written, lurking, being worn out searching the wt cd, i have come to an idea that i present for your appraisal..

tornapart

I have come to believe the simple Gospel of Christ that goes against the WT teachings and conforms more to mainstream christianity. I can no longer preach the 'different kind of gospel' that WT teaches. If I go to meetings it's simply for the sake of my family. They still believe in the WT teachings (even if not all) and find they can still follow Christ in their own way. It's hard to try and live the way Christ taught when so much goes against WT teachings but I'm sure he understands.

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Science Alert Quiz

by cofty in

take the test fellow hominids.... i got 7/7.

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I got 6/7 too. Got caught on the last one.. but not bad for someone that knows very little about evolution. Must be down to Cofty's lessons...

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Your Jehovah’s Witness Is Showing

by David_Jay in

since i just signed up and posted a few times without doing this yet, here is my story..

i think that i became a jehovahs witness because of my immaturity.

i had some quirky personality traits, and i joined finding that i fit in because, as i said to myself: these people get me.

tornapart

Your friends the Randalls sound like wonderful people!

The thing I hate most about the JWs is their 'I'm right, you're wrong' approach and unfortunately that mentality has a tendency to stick regardless of where your new beliefs take you, be it theism or atheism. The best people to be around are those that are intelligent enough to have a great discussion with and yet open minded enough to allow others to have their own beliefs about things without belittling them. Your friends sound like exactly those sort of people.

That was a great post and something for each of us to think about and try not to let our 'Jehovah's Witness show'!