Posts by wallsofjericho

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Will firing the DOs be the first step to a new Watchtower?

by Juan Viejo2 in

against my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.

he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.

i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.

wallsofjericho

"appointed = annointed" - this one is easy to beleive even now. Any brother appointed would have little trouble believing they are actually anointed by Jah already without realizing it. But ultimately, the GB is giving themselves authority to anoint men on Jehovah's behalf. - but of course they would never come out and say that, they will just cleverly let him think he really is anointed and the holy spirit has made it know by way of the appointment

144,000 becoming symbolic - ABSOLUTELY! I believe this 100% As far as becoming only men...... I have a hard time seeing this get past the 2/3's vote. This would mean a LOT of back peddling over 140 years of Watchtower mags. Don't get me wrong, I see the advantages to the GB to make such a change, but my great-great-Aunt Maybell who pioneered for 50 years and died at the ripe ol' age of 101 is NOT of the anointed? She's NOT in heaven? I DON'T THINK SO BUDDY!!

I think making it symbolic will give them the room they need to make all the "anointments" they want. Besides, the R&F already look at new partakers as looney-tunes now, an appointed to a high position by the GB would be just about the only way for the R&F in the local cong. to take him seriously.

HERES MY BIG SPECULATION - Blood will become a conscience decistion.

In many ways it is already. You said that changes are snuck in right under our noses? This is absolutely the case with blood.. "any fraction is acceptable", blood is not a DF'ing offence but the offenders statement of disassociation, the statement to the European human rights that no sanctions are placed on members that use blood. Blood is just too difficult to defend. This is a huge thorn in the WTS's side. I has to go

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Will firing the DOs be the first step to a new Watchtower?

by Juan Viejo2 in

against my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.

he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.

i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.

wallsofjericho

great post

very credible, very believable

seems to support so much of what us "apostates" have been predicting. Perhaps the WTS is not so clandestine after all.

That point about paying attention to changes that "happen right under your nose".... that is so true! How many times are subtle paragraphs slipped into an article and then left alone for 5 years or more before being dragged out into the light as a footnote to a big new whopper of a WT sudy? Then "wow, I guess we've sort of believed this alread for years!"

thanks for posting, and thanks to your (our) freind on this inside

woj

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What do you think are the future doctrine changes will be?

by thedepressedsoul in

the whole organization is going through huge and big changes.

it can be seen by names of departments, to how things function and teaches.

my questions to you is, what do you think the future changes will be, both in teaching and organizational matters?.

wallsofjericho

I gotta be honest with you depressedsoul, I think you missed the mark on every one of your points

1914 - this has been reinforced even as of the infamous july 15, 2013 WT. While the ubiquitisness of its importance is diminishing it is still the "go to" year for JW's and the defining moment of truth for JW's

Disfellowshipping - this will become (and is already) a key tool in the hands of the Org. The redefined "no longer a JW" will be applied less formally to various behaviours causing JW's to even shun those that are not officially DF'd. The "no longer a JW" will be applied to inactive ones, those who have studied but never baptized, those who don't go to meetings anymore, etc. It's already the means by which the society DF's JW's that take blood.

Blood Issue's - Blood will be a conscience decision by or before 2025

Elders - elders are the engine of the BOrg. They NEED elders. They will be policed more, but they will always be the backbone of the org. Without elders in the face of the R&F guilting them into servitude, the org would fall apart.

Less focus on the "end" - ironically the exact opposite is happening. the society is cleverly removing imminent dates and replacing with "unknown periods of time" while at the same time coming up with rediculuos ways to convince people the end is still sooooo close.... like "were in the second part of the overlapping generation" crap. They extended the one generation to a century old, then when its two generations they try to shorten it back down. such bullshit.

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BOE District Overseers- CONFIDENTIAL

by WatchTower87 in

instruction: press the 'skip ad' button top right, you should then see the download screen more easily.

no virus ;-).

boe district overseers- confidential pdf: http://adf.ly/glwdn.

wallsofjericho

no not too soon

hilarious!!! :D

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The Birth of the Universe - Scientific Breakthrough

by cofty in

researchers working with a telescope at the south pole beleive they have glimpsed light from the first "trillionth of a trillionth of a tillionth" of a second after the big bang.. a lot of work has still to be done to confirm the findings, but if it holds up it is one of the biggest discoveries ever.. _________________________________________.

...inflation came with a very specific prediction - that it would be associated with waves of gravitational energy, and that these ripples in the fabric of space would leave an indelible mark on the oldest light in the sky - the famous cosmic microwave background.. the bicep2 team says it has now identified that signal.

scientists call it b-mode polarisation.

wallsofjericho

whenever I talk about the big bang theory to j-dubs i always use the "Jehovah" angle to keep their spidey-senses from tingling.

Ironic that the dubs will accept the evolution of the univers over billions of years but as soon as you talk about dinosuars their eyes gloss over and then insist they were killed in the flood.

how can you accept the creation of matter and planets in the universe, processes that repeat over billions of years and then get to the dinosuars and insist science "doesn't know anything" and that mountains were created by the wieght of water that swirled around the atmosphere unitl God made it fall down?

So God uses physics to create the universe naturally but then plays magic tricks with earth? what a joke

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Will the GB be alive at armageddon(tm)?

by punkofnice in

ok. i don't believe that the watchtower(r) armageddon(tm) is anything but fantasy.. i do recall speculation about how the 'anointed(tm)' might all be dead before the big 'a' or that some will survive through it and help the r&f.

i heard brothers speculating that after the big 'a' the 'anointed(tm)' would be spirited away to heaven.. i wonder what they think will happen to the gb on, before or after the big 'a' now?.

wallsofjericho

yes this was finally confirmed with the now infamous July 15, 2013 WT. The debate as to what would happen prior to that was confused ever since the 90's reference to the Nephunem (sp?) looking after the org. after all the anointed die before Armageddon.

July 15 WT finally came out said: all anointed will be "physically" dead BEFORE armageddon..... ie: raptured

and then an "unknown period of time" will pass until the big A actually occurs. Or maybe they said "immediately after" the rapture the big A will take place. I can't remember. I don't really care anymore

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What Bomb Will Be Dropped at This Years District Convention?

by kneehighmiah in

jw
friends

our insightful posters on this site were able to predict the new "spirit directed" generation teachings and fds teaching even years in advance.

what bomb do you thing will be dropped this year?

i know it will be big.

wallsofjericho

the GB seems to be copying the strategy of the new Pope Francis

whatever the Catholic church does this year, the GB will copy it and come out with a JW version of it at the assembly

i also agree with Keyser.... a reasoning book revision is looooooooooooong over due

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A contribution from one of the members!

by Atlantis in

a contribution from one of the members who doesn't get to post very often.. ... .......... ........................ ......... ..........atlantis

wallsofjericho

marked

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WT wants members to auxiliary pioneer in place of vacations now!!!

by EndofMysteries in

the may 2014 km, posted in another thread is a link to download it.

page 2, for week starting may 19th under the service meeting:.

discussion.

wallsofjericho

wasn't auxiliary pioneering formerly called "vacation pioneering" way back in the day?

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New Policy on Inactive Ones?

by Cynisister in

this may have been discussed, but i just recently was told that a km this past year stated that inactive ones are now to be treated as if they are df'd.

is this so?

cynisister.

wallsofjericho

as many have stated, this is not a "written" rule. But anyone here that regularly attends meetings still can read the implications that strongly suggest to do so.

I have been seeing inferences to such behaviour repeatedly over the past couple of years.