within the first few minutes, mr. stewart asked geoffrey jackson if the members of the governing body consider themselves to be god's spokesperson on earth.. his response: "that would be presumptuous of us" (implying that they don't consider themselves to be god's sole channel of communication).. to me, that was the worst lie of about 26 lies he's told during this hearing.
however, mr. stewart missed an opportunity to call out mr. jackson on this bold-faced lie.
he should have asked him to explain why the watchtower magazine teaches otherwise.
"presumptuous to say the we are the "only" spokesperson god is using...."
he should be DFd for apostasy. He is implying there could be someone else on earth used by Jehovah to teach truth.
wait a tic..... you didn't mean Jah was using angels did you? or that perhaps non governing body members could possibly be used and you don't know it yet, kind of like the old F&DS teaching?\
Are you playing games with this on GJ? so typical
since geoffrey jackson's appearance before the australian royal commission on friday there has for some been an expressed feeling of anticlimax.
it is as though he was given too much latitude to preach, to claim ignorance and to skirt questions.
more to the point, as much as i myself thought i would never have expected to say this, gj actually came across as likeable and - don't throttle me please!
Dumplin-
your reasoning with your wife was spot on
has anyone here re-watched that last day?
the part where justice mcclellan is asking mr jackson if he feels that this royal commission is a sincere effort to make some good changes in policy...?.
and does mr jackson feel it would be worth it to put a collective effort, along with other organizations to compensate or find means of redress, for the victims of child sexual abuse?.
Quote:Jackson stated an apostate is someone who goes against the Bible. This is a lie. An apostate is someone who goes against the religion.
remember ray franz DF announcement? The WT emphasized rays issue was not with the bible but with the organization
what a blatant lie by Jackson
geoffrey jackson's unfailingly diplomatic responses during friday's royal commission hearings have undoubtedly limited damage to the reputation of the jw organization - but i could never again imagine the watchtower and awake!
magazines criticizing other religions over their responses to child sexual abuse within their parishes.
too close for comfort.
These situations shouldn't be about money
they should be about fixing flawed policies
unfortunately money seems to be the only way to scare institutions enough to act
i hate how litigious society is. But nobody is more letigious than the WTS. As much as I disagree with lawyers suing anyone over anything to see what sticks, the WTS is getting beat at its own game this time
geoffrey jackson spent 20 minutes accepting the position that it is not scripturally prohibited for women to be used in the investigation process, although probably not the jc itself (he said he'd check the scriptures on that bit, but we can guess the outcome).. look out for the wives of elders jostling for and gaining these positions.
there will be no better opportunity for gossip mongers to raise their status in the congregation than being officially involved in the intimate private business of others in the congregation.. think of the power they will have in advising the elders on a jc if she thinks the victim is credible, with her opinion, bias and embellishments on the details.
i wouldn't fancy the chances of a victim who has previously fallen out with one of these 'helpers'.. whatever next, sisters handling microphones??!
99% of sisters DONT WANT privileges. They want a husband with status.
this is how they are raised in the Org
nothing of any significance will change
sisters hold the doors open at assemblies now. We'll just see more of that stuff
life has been busy, but i am now on 2 weeks vacation which allowed me some thinking room.
and here's what's been on my mind.. we're all going to die.
no matter what we do, our fate is sealed.
From an atheistic view death is not more harsh, rather life more precious
in 100 years all of us will be dust in a grave
so what could you possibly have to worry about?
i guess this article will be appreciated within the jw community, being on the positive side when discussing blood transfusion.
it is the first of three articles to be published in that prestigious magazine.. http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-jehovahs-witnesses-are-changing-medicine.
I saw a recent blood article flaunted by dubs that referred to blood as a liquid organ. Yet organ transplants are a conscience decision
At the end of the day, the ONLY reason dubs prohibit blood is cause "the bible" (their interpretation) tells them too
thats it
they can try to sound all sciencey and medically but it's all smoke and mirrors.
When science disagrees with God they reject science, when it agrees they applaude it. They only do what they're told by God=GB
at the regional convention (national!!
) for scotland, mark sanderson elicited 13 rounds of applause during his closing talk, (for the least little things!
) plus a final one for his closing prayer!
I remember once old br. John Carey I think was his name, of the GB was speaking at the end of a DC and the audience was clapping constantly. At one point he tried to keep talking over the clapping then said "ok go ahead" and everyone giggled and then a huge applause ensued. So ridiculous
i was raised a witness, baptized at 16, vacation pioneered, got married, etc.
i was very much your typical witness and believed it was the truth until last summer.
a very close relative of mine left the witnesses.
Kudos to having the gonads to tell your husband the truth
i was terrified to tell my wife, so much so that when I did I actually capitulated and stated "in"
i went the route of focusing on our family and marriage and my wife was amazed at what happiness we had without me being active or an uber-dub so she backed waaaay off and now we are very content living on the periphery of the religion.
despite this, I often wonder what would have happened if I had the balls to stand my ground
i have my reasons for doing what I did, but I commend you for standing your ground for your beliefs.
like the title says....those of you who made it out with you husbands or wives.
you people are so lucky!!!.
lucky because your wife or husband isn't brain dead and can think and reason for themselves.
