Posts by s-c-3-1-3

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Difficulties understanding passage.

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i am reading colossians 1:15-18, and understand it to mean that jehovah created jesus who then created all other things in the world, thus jesus crall things except for god who created him.

is this correct?

thanks in advance!.

s-c-3-1-3

What do you mean N.Drew? I'm missing the point of posting the link...? One is One? Also, hwo do I make it so you can post more than 10? :(

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Difficulties understanding passage.

by s-c-3-1-3 in

i am reading colossians 1:15-18, and understand it to mean that jehovah created jesus who then created all other things in the world, thus jesus crall things except for god who created him.

is this correct?

thanks in advance!.

Isaiah 43 proves that Jesus did not create "all other things." God in the flesh would just confirm the oneness of Jesus and Jehovah, would it not? Also, John 14:28 says that Jehovah is greater than Jesus, but then again in John 10:30 it says Jehovah and Jesus are one. Both of these can't be right. Just out of curiosity, is a Jehovah Witness allowed believing Jesus is God?

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Difficulties understanding passage.

by s-c-3-1-3 in

i am reading colossians 1:15-18, and understand it to mean that jehovah created jesus who then created all other things in the world, thus jesus crall things except for god who created him.

is this correct?

thanks in advance!.

s-c-3-1-3

I personally do not believe that "other" should be included, but for argument's sake I will agree with the Watchtower's translation.

If you read the passage carefully, it is certainly saying that all things besides Jehovah were created by Jesus. In fact, if it was saying Jehovah created everything it would not have put "other," right? It would have kept it in its original.

The real issue of confusion I am having is Genesis chapter 1 that talks about how Jehovah created all things; both cannot be right because the Watchtower says Jesus and God are not the same. I'm guessing it's because it's in the Old Testatemt? I'm just really not sure.

Basically, I am confused how the following two statements can be correct:

1. Sally invented the body wash.

2. Sally gave birth to Jennifer who invented the body wash.

In a way, this is kind of what Genesis is and Collosians. It's an example but maybe makes sense and helps you see where I'm confused?

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Difficulties understanding passage.

by s-c-3-1-3 in

i am reading colossians 1:15-18, and understand it to mean that jehovah created jesus who then created all other things in the world, thus jesus crall things except for god who created him.

is this correct?

thanks in advance!.

s-c-3-1-3

Yes, but assume that it is a part of the scripture, thus when read it IS saying Jesus created all things except Jehovah, right?

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Difficulties understanding passage.

by s-c-3-1-3 in

i am reading colossians 1:15-18, and understand it to mean that jehovah created jesus who then created all other things in the world, thus jesus crall things except for god who created him.

is this correct?

thanks in advance!.

s-c-3-1-3

All due respect about the John 1:1 if it offends anyone. Basically I'm saying I just consider them to have access to different manuscripts and take their word for it.

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Difficulties understanding passage.

by s-c-3-1-3 in

i am reading colossians 1:15-18, and understand it to mean that jehovah created jesus who then created all other things in the world, thus jesus crall things except for god who created him.

is this correct?

thanks in advance!.

s-c-3-1-3

Well, on what basis does it change the ending John 1:1 to "a god."

Okay, therefore, it is safe to assume that the Watchtower position is that Jesus was created by Jehovah, and Jesus created all things. Is this corret to what its position is?

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Difficulties understanding passage.

by s-c-3-1-3 in

i am reading colossians 1:15-18, and understand it to mean that jehovah created jesus who then created all other things in the world, thus jesus crall things except for god who created him.

is this correct?

thanks in advance!.

s-c-3-1-3

Okay, but the New World Translation adds "other" things, which means Jesus was both created and the creator of all things except for Jehovah, correct?

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Difficulties understanding passage.

by s-c-3-1-3 in

i am reading colossians 1:15-18, and understand it to mean that jehovah created jesus who then created all other things in the world, thus jesus crall things except for god who created him.

is this correct?

thanks in advance!.

s-c-3-1-3

Hi all,

I am reading Colossians 1:15-18, and understand it to mean that Jehovah created Jesus who then created all other things in the world, thus Jesus crall things except for God who created him. Is this correct?

Thanks in advance!

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Scan Request.

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s-c-3-1-3

Hi, thank you! Could you possibly send the link where you found it? :)

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Scan Request.

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s-c-3-1-3

Hi all,

Is there anyone who could scan The Watchtower, April 1, 1965, page 211 for me? It would be greatly appreciated! I tried finding it on the internet but was not successful.

Thanks in advance!