Posts by Christophoros

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You know it's the Truth, because it attracts crazy people.

by schnell in

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i wish i was kidding, but i have heard this idea suggested lately as a defense of the wts.

this is god's organization, even though it attracts crazy people, and because it attracts crazy people.

"unlettered and ordinary," et cetera.. i don't get it.

Christophoros

schnell,

in your reply to Finklestein, you sound like you're describing the confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance etc. that is usually part of the damage that goes with the territory of being in the cult.

As well as the narcissistic, sociopathic, callous, hypocritical etc.. traits that most people will have picked up, to some degree or another...

Those traits don't define a person as being 'crazy' or whatever other label you choose...

For alot of people, that is not their true self...

This is shown when they leave the cult and begin the process of overcoming those influences

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You know it's the Truth, because it attracts crazy people.

by schnell in

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i wish i was kidding, but i have heard this idea suggested lately as a defense of the wts.

this is god's organization, even though it attracts crazy people, and because it attracts crazy people.

"unlettered and ordinary," et cetera.. i don't get it.

Calling anyone 'crazy' is just sad, and shows a deluded sense of superiority and a very sad callous attitude towards people who may be suffering with mental illness and /or major problems, that happen in everyone's life...

Those are the kind of vulnerable times and situations that JW's and other cults and movements are notorious for exploiting.

Look at how Trump just exploited it.

Aside from the above things,

'the truth' can also appeal to people who have a love of truth... And for whatever reason, fall for the Watchtower lies...

Personally, I was a naive 15 year old...

Is naivete', at whatever age, or stage of life and learning we are in, 'crazy'...?

So, could we have a definition of what 'crazy' is....?

It, and similar terms, are actually quite offensive to a significant number of people who suffer with, and/or advocate for, mental illness.

One way that I kind of agree with the grain of truth that is in the idea being expressed, is...

Yes, 'the truth' attracts a certain type of criminally insane or evil person... Namely the child abusers who know how the organisation operates...

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Watchtower and Theseus' Paradox

by jwabuse.com in

came across this today researching something for work, and thought it was an interesting thought when applied to wt.

with so many fundamental changes and revisions, can they even be correctly viewed as what they are perceived as by active jws?

if your baptism was an oath of loyalty to the organization, which organization?

Christophoros

Here's how Trigger's broom gets passed along the generations...

https://youtu.be/AegLdB7UI4U

Different broom/cult...

But it's still a broom/cult doing the same things...

Here's just one of them...

'you've gotta wear a suit... Everyone else is... '

Suits look different in 2017 to how they looked in 1975...but they're still suits...

And the wearing of the suit is one of the first baits the Watchtower uses to catch people...

'hey I'm wearing a suit now... I have conformed, been assimilated... And showing that I'm obedient and loyal to my superiors... Awaiting my reward...

And starting to feel special, chosen, so good at putting on the new personality.... So good at trying to appear to be outwardly pure...

So superior to worldly people...

Hey what's going on?

I'm starting to develop narcissistic, sociopathic, callous, hypocritical traits...

It's alright, one day I'll wake up, leave this evil cult and begin the journey of recovering my true self... '

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54 year old Jw pedophile molests 14yr old jw girl.

by notjustyet in

need someone to correct the article to let the readers know "it's not a church,.. it's a kingdom hall!!".

please share and comment on their fb page to get some info out there.

https://www.facebook.com/sunherald/posts/10157904826940532.

Christophoros

It's also common, to see at least one JW in the comments section of the newspaper reporting it, being more concerned about their gathering place being correctly named...

Straining out the gnat, while gulping down the camel...

Matthew 23:23-24

Giving such a good witness to the reality of who the Watchtower and their followers really are

...

Everything the Watchtower does, backfires...

Teaching their followers to be so nit picky, to the point of doing it in such a disgusting way as this...

They're doing a fantastic job in helping with the worldwide work of exposing the truth about the Watchtower Society

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Faith comes by hearing . com

by Christophoros in

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just sharing this as a handy tool for refuting the watchtowers' claim to be the only ones bringing the bible to the world.

and boasting about translating the nwt into more than 115 languages.

https://www.faithcomesbyhearing.com.

Christophoros

Just sharing this as a handy tool for refuting the Watchtowers' claim to be the only ones bringing the Bible to the world.

And boasting about translating the NWT into more than 115 languages.

https://www.faithcomesbyhearing.com

"Who says the best things in life aren’t free? Our full suite of resources gives you access to the Bible in 1,038 languages – all at no cost to you."

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You wake up one morning and see

by A Believer in

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the un has banned religion.

what are you're thoughts?.

also changes to it seem to be on the way.... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/trump-vows-israel-vote-161224040133216.html.

Christophoros

redpilltwice,

thank you so very much

That has to be one of the best Watchtower quotes...

I haven't seen it before... Saving it and the link...

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2008449

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You wake up one morning and see

by A Believer in

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the un has banned religion.

what are you're thoughts?.

also changes to it seem to be on the way.... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/trump-vows-israel-vote-161224040133216.html.

Christophoros

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/oct/08/religion.world

"Jehovah's Witnesses link to UN queried

Sect accused of hypocrisy over association with organisation it has demonised.

Stephen Bates, religious affairs correspondent

Monday 8 October 2001 23.42 BST

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The United Nations is being asked to investigate why it has granted associate status to the Jehovah's Witnesses, the fundamentalist US-based Christian sect, which regards it as the scarlet beast predicted in the Book of Revelation... "

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I am glad to have found the true religion

by A Believer in

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it really is great.

i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

Christophoros

From page 13 of

A Believer's first post

'Hi forum'

pbrow9 days ago

"I would not be surprised if believer has left this thread but hopefully not the site.

Troll or not, intentional or not... When I was starting to question things 7 years ago, these are exactly the types of threads i pored over. I spent months looking for exactly these types of threads.

It is completely obvious the exhausting amount of work that has been put into the thoughtful posts by our members here. Posts that are so easily dismissed or just outright ingnored. When questions are posed and just downright ignored, it made me realize that they just have no legs to stand on.

post away believer... You are helping more than you could ever know

pbrow"

If all of that effort helps just one person... Whether to leave the cult, or in their journey of recovering from it...

Then it was so worth it.

I think it also helps the individual who puts in that effort, in their own journey of recovery.

It's all good :-)

I believe that whatever the watchtower does, it always backfires..

Truth, light and love always overcome lies, darkness and hate...

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I am glad to have found the true religion

by A Believer in

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it really is great.

i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

Christophoros

;-)

https://youtu.be/btwaE2ofBPg

https://youtu.be/D5Ejt-RhyZk

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Jesus ransom or the sanctification of God's name the most important?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

some time ago, during the mid-week meeting, the sanctification of god’s name was being discussed (chapter 4 in ‘god’s kingdom rules’).

in paragraph nine we read that in the early period the jw’s viewed jesus ransom sacrifice as the most important teaching of the bible.

then they said they gave overbalanced importance to jesus, and nowadays, they say the sanctification of god’s name is the most important thing in the bible.. .

Christophoros

You might find this YouTube video, uploaded an hour or so ago, helpful:

https://youtu.be/gp_9GljVzzI