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  Montana News

  by AuntBee in

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  2. child-abuse

  https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/montana/articles/2020-01-08/court-reverses-35m-verdict-against-jehovahs-witnesses.

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  JC323

  Montana doesnt have an intermediary appeals court. The Montana Supreme Court is the court that made this decision.
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  Montana Supreme Court will hear the $35M case tomorrow

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the montana case enters the home stretch.

  the state supreme court will hear oral arguments tomorrow, 13 september, at the northern hotel in billings during the state bar of montana’s annual meeting (announcement 1, announcement 2).

  an introduction to the argument will begin at 9:30 a.m., with the argument starting at 10 a.m. (4 p.m. utc, 9 a.m. sf time, 12 a.m. ny time, 5 p.m. london time, 2 a.m. saturday sydney time).

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  JC323

  Yes I meant tenets. I also was up early.
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  Montana Supreme Court will hear the $35M case tomorrow

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the montana case enters the home stretch.

  the state supreme court will hear oral arguments tomorrow, 13 september, at the northern hotel in billings during the state bar of montana’s annual meeting (announcement 1, announcement 2).

  an introduction to the argument will begin at 9:30 a.m., with the argument starting at 10 a.m. (4 p.m. utc, 9 a.m. sf time, 12 a.m. ny time, 5 p.m. london time, 2 a.m. saturday sydney time).

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  JC323

  I brought up the lousiana case because of the statement that victims or their innocent parents cannot be included when making confidential communication. As these cases are rarely litigated outside of the catholic model you have to piece cases together to make an argument. You can look at McFarland v watchtower in ohio, there the court of appeals refused to hand over a few letters because even though multiple people read the letter the letter is asking for spiritual advice on child abuse. You can look at the Berry case and even though their Supreme Court did not come to a decision on privilege, because they could resolve the case in Watchtowers favor prior to getting to that question, the oral arguments clearly indicated that the court was leaning towards the fact that the church tenants get to decide this stuff.

  I am also making a prediction. When Watchtower does win this Montana case that all the comments will become. We never expected to win but the important thing is the information got out there.
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  Montana Supreme Court will hear the $35M case tomorrow

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the montana case enters the home stretch.

  the state supreme court will hear oral arguments tomorrow, 13 september, at the northern hotel in billings during the state bar of montana’s annual meeting (announcement 1, announcement 2).

  an introduction to the argument will begin at 9:30 a.m., with the argument starting at 10 a.m. (4 p.m. utc, 9 a.m. sf time, 12 a.m. ny time, 5 p.m. london time, 2 a.m. saturday sydney time).

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  JC323

  Actually Lousiana supreme court did state that confidential communication extends to the victim. That is how they ruled in a catholic case.

  Most of the laws do not limit to confession but confidential communication.
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  Montana Supreme Court will hear the $35M case tomorrow

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the montana case enters the home stretch.

  the state supreme court will hear oral arguments tomorrow, 13 september, at the northern hotel in billings during the state bar of montana’s annual meeting (announcement 1, announcement 2).

  an introduction to the argument will begin at 9:30 a.m., with the argument starting at 10 a.m. (4 p.m. utc, 9 a.m. sf time, 12 a.m. ny time, 5 p.m. london time, 2 a.m. saturday sydney time).

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  JC323

  SL: ok so you have no problem with the secrecy of the catholic confessional in child abuse. But now let me throw this wrench into it. There is a new catholic policy that if a priest confesses to another priest in the confession, that it must be reported to the archdiocese. The catholic church still says that in that case the confessional is still sacrosanct and that they will not report to the police. So would that fall under sub section b or c of the montana law.
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  Montana Supreme Court will hear the $35M case tomorrow

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the montana case enters the home stretch.

  the state supreme court will hear oral arguments tomorrow, 13 september, at the northern hotel in billings during the state bar of montana’s annual meeting (announcement 1, announcement 2).

  an introduction to the argument will begin at 9:30 a.m., with the argument starting at 10 a.m. (4 p.m. utc, 9 a.m. sf time, 12 a.m. ny time, 5 p.m. london time, 2 a.m. saturday sydney time).

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  JC323

  So just as everyone here complains that JWs wont listen to reason because it comes from "apostates" even though it is factual information. The same applies to "apologists" even though it is factual information and reasoned arguments.
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  News report - Montana Supreme Court Hearing: Silent No More: The Justices (Silent Part 4)

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.wlwt.com/article/silent-no-more-part-4-the-justices/29040023?fbclid=iwar1beverlfko8g4lz5hbsize6dl1b87ukfabevyv07iizgziawzq1gfvevu .

  silent no more: the justices.

  jehovah’s witnesses argue montana supreme court justices should overturn $35 million verdict—largest in u.s.. mark albert .

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  JC323

  The mother Ivy had knowledge that her step father abused her sister and brother but she still delivered alexis to him and provided him the opportune opportunity to abuse her. The court record confirms as soon as Ivy stopped using her mother as a babysitter the abuse stopped. Ivy makes the claim that she listened to the elders actions thinking he was cured but that would be the only thing she listened to elders about. She used her mother as a babysitter because she didnt want to spend money for a safer alternative. How is this not exclusively her fault.
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  Montana Supreme Court will hear the $35M case tomorrow

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the montana case enters the home stretch.

  the state supreme court will hear oral arguments tomorrow, 13 september, at the northern hotel in billings during the state bar of montana’s annual meeting (announcement 1, announcement 2).

  an introduction to the argument will begin at 9:30 a.m., with the argument starting at 10 a.m. (4 p.m. utc, 9 a.m. sf time, 12 a.m. ny time, 5 p.m. london time, 2 a.m. saturday sydney time).

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  JC323

  It really isnt a loophole. A loophole is when the goverment in its legislature writing doesnt explicitly say something and lawyers discover it and then use it. Here the legislature specifically and purposefully included these exceptions.
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  Montana Supreme Court will hear the $35M case tomorrow

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the montana case enters the home stretch.

  the state supreme court will hear oral arguments tomorrow, 13 september, at the northern hotel in billings during the state bar of montana’s annual meeting (announcement 1, announcement 2).

  an introduction to the argument will begin at 9:30 a.m., with the argument starting at 10 a.m. (4 p.m. utc, 9 a.m. sf time, 12 a.m. ny time, 5 p.m. london time, 2 a.m. saturday sydney time).

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  JC323

  Well there is a tenet of the faith for JC. That is what is the argument before the Montana supreme court. It is who is allowed to define confidential communication.
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  Montana Supreme Court will hear the $35M case tomorrow

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the montana case enters the home stretch.

  the state supreme court will hear oral arguments tomorrow, 13 september, at the northern hotel in billings during the state bar of montana’s annual meeting (announcement 1, announcement 2).

  an introduction to the argument will begin at 9:30 a.m., with the argument starting at 10 a.m. (4 p.m. utc, 9 a.m. sf time, 12 a.m. ny time, 5 p.m. london time, 2 a.m. saturday sydney time).

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  JC323

  Actually if you read the wisconsin law it does say confidential communication or confession... as prescribed the the fatiths tenets. That is what the montana appeal is about. Can the state say these types of communications we allow to be kept confidential and others not, or do we allow the faith to decide that.

  You can look at the state of Delaware. Their law states only confession, but the Delaware case that jwsurvey highlights the settlement stipulation does include that adult JC do fall under that exception.