Posts by IWant2Know

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Rape you need 2 witnesses and don't call the cops! Crazy!

by Witness 007 in

are we a cult?

well the "truth" tells us that a old jewish 2 witness rule means any rape or paedophile is free to rape in our organisation.

in no circumstances would there be a second witness.

IWant2Know

Balaamsass2 said:

And the amazing thing is the full context of the bible verse says if the rape occurred and no one could "hear the victim screams" ...only ONE witness..(the victim) was enough.

Which verse are you referring to?

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

Reasonfirst said:

Final comment:
As you say, "Well, it sounds like Isaiah 40:29-31 didn't help him since I'm pretty such most JWs have tried to apply those verses to themselves."
Of course, it's not just the Isaiah text that promises help. And, my friend did think that he had changed, other wise he claims he would never have married.
Likely, he merely suppressed his same sex desires, if something is part of us (whatever the causes of homosexual desire) it would indeed take a miracle to change, and miracles are rationed in today's world.

Well, interestingly, that's what some gay (or allegedly formerly gay) PIMI JWs that I've actually talked to have claimed happened to them, that they changed sexual orientation.

Even the topic of this thread, that homosexuals must change has a problem, many cultures do not condemn same sex activity. Some years back, during the Asian history degree I studied. One of the lecturers has been studying, is the Japanese movement called Shonen Ai. Last century, a number of Japanese women, dissatisfied with traditional Japanese marriage relationships, began studying gay relationships. Developing out of that are images called yaoi, and illustrated literature called Mangas. These are now known throughout the world, with millions of readers in most languages. The fans of that genre are mostly young, and I'm wondering to what extent that genre is responsible for changing attitudes towards gay people

Well, that's fascinating. Also, I had never heard of that before. Plus, thank you for your comments.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

Reasonfirst said:

I'm not sure what a 100% homosexual person is like, or desires.

Well, it's just what it says it is: 100%. Kind of like what you said about the linear scale, which to me means that guys can't get it up when it comes to women. And I'm guessing it's the same for gay women who can't get sexually aroused by men, but only women. Although, a 100% gay woman could fake it, but a 100% gay man couldn't.

I think it likely that some gay guys have successfully lived either a celibate life, or a successfully married to a woman life.

I don't think that no one is disputing that.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

IWant2Know said:

Also, if you or someone else have never heard of that concept, I'm going to try and post this video at this forum (for the first time) and I hope that I can get it to start at 1:06. But listen to it until 1:59.
(1906) What Happens When You Take Testosterone? - YouTube

I wonder if Adam had a line on his ball sack. lol

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

Reasonfirst said:

As to specific sexual desire, I think that rather than categorised into groups like gay, straight and Bi, maybe its lineal scattered along a kind of continuum from exclusively gay to exclusively str8, with a large majority on the str8 end.

Yes, I agree. And from what I know about that, it's called sexual fluidity.

We likely do not know enough about this topic to be dogmatic as to how it operates (works).

I don't know about that. Because for myself, after I had learned about how we all develop as embryos, I was pretty convinced that sexual fluidity and sexual orientation ambiguity and even sexual physical ambiguity (such as those who are intersex) among people is because we all start off as girls.

Also, if you or someone else have never heard of that concept, I'm going to try and post this video at this forum (for the first time) and I hope that I can get it to start at 1:06. But listen to it until 1:59.

https://youtu.be/cX0MNCQvBt8?si=ICJXzzhjr2ER1A0Y&t=66

And that seems to help me to understand why many (but not all) gay men and women often have characteristics of their opposite sex. Because I don't think that they (or at least most of them) are like that because they're trying to make fashion statements or are trying to be socially rebellious. But I just think it's natural for them to look and dress a certain way.

B.O.Y.'s got a job ahead of him, explaining why he did that.

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!I don't know. Because I thought that Stephen Lett has stated that anything that's not 'straight' in the new system has to either shape up or ship out. lol (start at 1:34)

https://youtu.be/GYU3r3VQwSo?si=Pr3kyQogYoa47t-C&t=94

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

Kosonen said:

One has to realize the seriousness of the situation and make it a priority to overcome. If we just pray and hope Jehovah will solve this for us without us putting in effort, that won't work. To overcome different kind of sins, we need to understand the seriousness of sin and really want to overcome it and say it in prayer to Jehovah God. And continue doing it day after day.
We should ask God to make us so busy in good things so that we would not have time to think about sins. That is a good remedy for keeping sins out of the mind.

Sorry, but you're preaching to someone who was once in the choir (figuratively).

Matthew 7:7“Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you; 8 for everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking, it will be opened.

No disrespect intended, but, "Ha!"But thank you for trying to help.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

Kosonen said:

If he really wants to overcome his homosexual feelings and thoughts, he should confess in prayer to Jehovah God about it and ask for God's help in the name of Jesus Christ, what ever God could provide. And he should continue to do that everyday for a while, maybe for 100 days and see if there is any improvement.

So, do you know anything about that personally? Also, it's interesting how other people don't think that gay JWs or gay former JWs have never tried that. Because from what I've experienced and from what I know about JWs (gay or straight) who I knew during the time that I was one, people who become JWs are VERY serious and sincere about their faith and will bend over backwards to try to conform to it and stay in it. Because I don't think people take becoming a JW very nonchalantly.

But then again, I don't know because the longer that I live, the more that I learn that people are 'different' in a lot of ways from one another, and one really never knows what another person's true motivations and feelings are.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

Kosonen said:

No I don't. My wife is still active JW. And she goes to the meeting with my 4 children who are 11 -24 years old. Our relation has been most of the time very tense since I was disfellowshipped. But for the past year our relation has improved significantly. That has made daily life much better.

I can only imagine how difficult that would be, however, I'm glad to hear that things are getting better.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

KalebOutWest said:

Actually, except for most Fundamentalist Christians and some groups like the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, the rest of Christianity and all Jews acknowledge that there are no foretelling of events by the prophets in the Scripture, such as predictions.

So, what about predictions such as Isaiah 11:6-9 and Isaiah 65:17-25? And Daniel 2:31-45, which I mentioned before?

But the word "prophet" in Hebrew means "spokesman" and not a foreseer of events. In fact it if forbidden by the Mosaic Law for a Jew to attempt to forecast the future by any means.--Lev 19:32, Deut 18:9-12.
There are no "prophecies" in this sense, whatsoever, about anything, anywhere in the Bible, let alone about the Messiah.

See the verses that I mentioned above.

The Jewish concept of the Messiah came about after the last of the books of the Prophets was written, after the Maccabean Revolt which ended in 160 BCE, the events which gave Judaism the first Chanukah celebration.

Whaaaaat? (in astonishment)

Due to the oppression, the Jews began to study the Jewish texts and realized that the prophets and the Psalms mentioned that God had promised that a son of David was supposed to be anointed as their king, not someone in the line of Levi. So they began to pray for God to redeem them from the hands of the Herods and the Romans, to bring the promised Son of David, the promised anointed (in Hebrew, Masiach or Messiah).

Whaaaaat? (in astonishment)

A theology began to be built around many of these texts, though none of them are "prophecies." There are NO texts in the Bible that say: "There shall come a Messiah..." or "The Messiah shall come that will do this and that..." The first time the Jews used such expressions as a concept were in the Gamara, then in the Mishnah, which came to be transfered into writings of the Talmud.

So, what about the Isaiah verses that I mentioned above? And the son of man verses in Daniel 7:13-14?

The fullest concepts of the Messiah were developed by the early Christians themselves, not the Jews, which is why the Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah.

Well, that makes sense. Because when you ask Jews to elaborate more about the messiah and olam ha-bah, they're like, um, um, we don't know.

The use of Genesis 3:15 in reference to Jesus does not come from the Jews but the Church Fathers

So, what do Jews believe that verse means?

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

KalebOutWest said:

If I had cherished those beliefs, I would be heartbroken and somewhat confused to see what I honored and believed to disappear day by day, week by week, month by month, year by year. It's all going away.
The religion I know and it's teachings are gone. How are you coping since you could never go back? There is nothing to be faithful to as they are not even faithful to themselves or those that came before them.

But JWs' response to that is that the basic foundational doctrines have not changed, being: The Trinity, Hellfire, the Immortal Soul, and that All Good People Go To Heaven.