Posts by IWant2Know

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

but i hope this question isn't offensive to this forum.

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NotFormer said:

IWant2Know, those are valid points. It can be a bit of a free for all. But at the same time, there are plenty of respectful people here. I'm not sure Simon introduced the monster avatars as a middle finger to anybody

Is Simon still around? Because sometimes I think that this forum is on auto pilot. Especially since I still have the baby poop colored avatar instead of the one that I tried to changed to. 😉

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

KalebOutWest said:

And none of the texts from Daniel are prophetic. The book is an "apocalypse," not a prophecy. In fact, "Daniel" is not even a real person. That is why when you open a Jewish Bible, the Book of Daniel does not appear in the "Prophets" section but in the "Writings" section.
The Book of Daniel was written by the Maccabees during their persecution and subsequent revolt under the Hasmoneons, with events ending in the celebrations of the very first Chanukah. "Daniel" is a folk hero--like America's Paul Bunyan. Daniel gives warnings and messages to Nebuchadnezzar, even though the Jews have been back from the exiles for generations now. They are facing a new threat from the Hellenists who want to stop Jewish worship. Using apocalyptic language that sound like oracles and visions, the Maccabees encourage their fellow Jews with folktales of Daniel overcoming the heathens and their gods, showing how they will defeat the Hellenists and restore the Temple and pure worship in their own day if they keep up the fight (which they did).
None of these are predictions.

No wonder some Jews who are very talky about other Jewish/Hebrew scripture topics, get all quiet on you when you ask about the book of Daniel.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

LV101 said:

IW2K - yes -- all embryos are initially female -- within a short time the weaker embryos transfer to male. Strange when men are the strongest physically and have higher IQs (not saying females are not higher in some -- but generally) per the science.

You had better not let your wife see that.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

KalebOutWest said:

- For Jehovah's WItnesses, God must "foresee" and "foretell" the future and must keep time, partially because the theology of Jehovah's Witnesses is based on "timekeeping" and "the end of times." If this understanding fails, so does their teaching that their religion is the only true one. Their leaders have spent over a century trying to teach they only they can understand the "predictions" of the "prophets."
So, what's the point of verses such as:
Daniel 7:25, "time, times and a half".
Daniel 12:7, "time, times and a half".
Revelation 11:2, "42 months".
Revelation 11:3, "1260 days".
Revelation 12:6, "1260 days".
Revelation 12:14, "time, times and a half".
Revelation 13:5,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-year_principle
Or what about the seventy weeks of Daniel?
The “seventy weeks” prophecy is one of the most significant and detailed Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament. It is found in Daniel 9. The chapter begins with Daniel praying for Israel, acknowledging the nation’s sins against God and asking for God’s mercy. As Daniel prayed, the angel Gabriel appeared to him and gave him a vision of Israel’s future.
What are the seventy weeks of Daniel? | GotQuestions.org
- I'll bet you could not have done that if I had not told you that, now could you.
Sure, I could have. All that I would have to do is search on the internet. Or even look at the verses in the New World Translation or other Bibles that give Hebrew scripture references to Bible verses. Plus, as I had mentioned before, I've already seen both Jewish and non-believers' refutation of the silver pieces prophecy along with many of the other so-called Hebrew scripture Jesus prophecies.
- Isaiah 11:6-9--Isaiah is indeed talking about the ideal king in Davidic king and restoration under him for all Israel's benefit, but it should be noted that the oracle does not have any particular historical person or time period in mind.
So, why does verse 9 say:
They will not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain;
for the earth will be full of the knowledge of Yahweh,
as the waters cover the sea.
World English Bible
- Isaiah 65:17-25 is part of an apocalypse and not a prophecy, written by Deutero-Isaiah or maybe even Third or Fourth Isaiah. It is speaking of the conditions experienced by the Jews after they returned from exile to Babylon. Apocalypse speaks of the present in future terms, as if it has yet to be fulfilled, using symbols. The book of Daniel, as apocalypse, does this throughout its "visions," for example.
- And none of the texts from Daniel are prophetic. The book is an "apocalypse," not a prophecy. In fact, "Daniel" is not even a real person. That is why when you open a Jewish Bible, the Book of Daniel does not appear in the "Prophets" section but in the "Writings" section.
- The Book of Daniel was written by the Maccabees during their persecution and subsequent revolt under the Hasmoneons, with events ending in the celebrations of the very first Chanukah. "Daniel" is a folk hero--like America's Paul Bunyan. Daniel gives warnings and messages to Nebuchadnezzar, even though the Jews have been back from the exiles for generations now. They are facing a new threat from the Hellenists who want to stop Jewish worship. Using apocalyptic language that sound like oracles and visions, the Maccabees encourage their fellow Jews with folktales of Daniel overcoming the heathens and their gods, showing how they will defeat the Hellenists and restore the Temple and pure worship in their own day if they keep up the fight (which they did).
Well, I have tons of bookmarked YouTube playlists videos that I haven't gotten around to looking at yet. Such as this one:
The Babylonian Exile & The Book of Daniel: What Apologist Are Not Telling You - YouTube
However, thank you for the information. Much appreciated.
- The Church Fathers, using the "midrash" that Jesus and the apostles used as recorded in the New Testament, applied this to Jesus. Again, this is an apocalypse, not a book by a real prophet or even by a person named Daniel. The folk hero by that name did not exist and is not listed as one of the prophets of Israel in the Talmud.
So, then it almost sounds as if it's a choice of whose midrash does one use: Jewish or Christian?
- The narrative of the Garden of Eden is based on the type of enclosed garden of the king of Babylon that had a guard with a sword and kept people out. It had, on its outside, cherubim, for the decor.
Bingo!
- Now that you have read my replies, what are your counter arguments? If you have none what are you doing about it?
- Who cares what I believe? How cares about what you believe? What are you doing with your life now that is helping others more than you?
You, first.

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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Vanderhoven7 said:

Why is the world still messed up?
Because Jesus Christ's parousia is still future. Until then, Jesus is only ruling in the hearts of those who have repented and believed His gospel. Nothing to do with 1874, 1914, 1919, men in New York or religion.

So, is this supposed to continue on as long as humans are on this planet?

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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TD

Are you perhaps thinking of Leolaia?
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/users/7002/Leolaia
(Her avatar was/is the actress, Carey Mulligan from Dr. Who)

Yes, sir. That's her.

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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TTWSYF

I want to know asks “So why is the world still so messed up?”
the same reason that it always has been messed up. Free will. When given a choice between 2different goods, we , humans as a whole, will chose the lesser good.
That’s the evil, us, as a whole, continuing to chose the lesser good over the greater good.
TTWSYF

That sounds like a dangerous thing that Jehovah created.

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

but i hope this question isn't offensive to this forum.

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IWant2Know

NotFormer said:

The OP seems to be of the opinion that you'll find manners and respect in the Kingdom Hall, but not among exJWs. For the reasons above, I don't see that as automatically being the case.

Actually, NotFormer, what I was getting at was that some posters' attitude and language seems to validate the viewpoint of Jehovah's Witnesses that apostates are terrible people. And that if any of JWs would ever look at this forum (which I'm sure that the headquarters have), they would probably say something like, "See, I told you so."

And no offense to anyone, but even when I first read this forum years and years ago, I experienced a bit of culture shock. Plus, I had thought that even having little 'monsters' as the default avatar, kind of played into the role being an apostate. Although now I figure that it's a way of the owner of this site to give the finger to the Watchtower Society.

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Just had a thought…

by Vidiot in

i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….

…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….

…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….

IWant2Know

DesirousOfChange said:4

I know many JWs who would claim: "But they (WTS/GB) have been right about everything else!"
Such as what, you ask?
Trinity is untrue
Soul is not immortal
Hell is common grave (not Hell Fire)
Only group fulfilling Matt 24:14 (worldwide preaching)
Only group remaining "no part of the world"
Only group (widely) using the name "Jehovah" (vindication of God's name)
Displaying unequaled True Love of Brother (or Mankind)
Unparalleled growth (proof of Jah's Holy Spirit & blessing)
YES, THEY REALLY BELIEVE ALL OF THIS!

Yes, I would say that's about the size of it.

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Just had a thought…

by Vidiot in

i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….

…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….

…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….

IWant2Know

ElderBerry said:

“When doubts manifest, one of the possible reactions is to double down and dig in. The more you do that, the more sunk the cost gets. “
This is so true with so many things. Those who took the vax multiple times don’t want to take the red pill that it’s harming them, they prefer the blue pill that it is safe for humans.

Oh, God. Politics. I've had all my covid vaccinations along with flu and pneumonia, and I'm feeling fine.