Posts by pale.emperor

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What the Org Teaches #5 "God's" Law on Shunning is Flexible For Elders!

by The Searcher in

parents are forced by the org to regard their disfellowshipped children as if they were dead, non-existent - even if their child was in dire straits.

's feel when they hear that it's ok for elders to try and encourage disfellowshipped ones back to the org, but they can't?.

what the org says: km 8/02 p. 4 par.

pale.emperor

Cant wait till they try and visit me in a years time. I'm saving up all my negative energy to tell them to fuck off.

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Letter To My Mother

by pale.emperor in

seeing as im being shunned by my family and friends.

i've decided to turn the tables and shun them back - but using the same methodology and reasoning they use on me.

i've written the following letter:.

pale.emperor

Thanks guys. I'll make a few amendments before sending.

I tried to reach out to my sister on last time. Informing her very nicely that she cant be disfellowshipped for speaking to me. Unless she talks about "the truth" or she openly disagrees with the reason i was disfellowshipped. She replied with "But i saw some videos at the convention where it was very clear that you are under satans control, and we were warned that disfellowshipped ones will try to tempt and trick us. I'm sorry, but im not going to fall for that. Come back and we can be a family again".

Then her husband called me quite angrily demanding that i never contact her again.

Worst convention ever? I think so. Whatever they watched has made them militant.

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Jehovah loves "even rounded numbers" or could this be a way to disprove the inspiration of the Bible?

by notjustyet in

while i am not able to recall them all at this time, i remember so many instances that when a number was quoted in the bible, especially large numbers, they were all "rounded up" to the nearest hundred or thousand.

for instance the angel killed 185,000 syrians, not 184,879. sampson killed a thousand men with the jawbone of an ass, not 961. and on and on on the even rounded numbers.

i would guess that it could be agues that these numbers were correct but is that realistic?

pale.emperor

Ohhhhhh i see whats coming here... some new ~~shite~~ light in an upcoming convention that 144,000 is a round number and we actually mean a million. So there's still some new GB members queuing up to take over when we die.

Also, 1914 - sorry, that again was an approximation... we meant 2014. Yes, this generation will by no means pass away until the conclusion of this system of things.

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Help Me Regain Contact With My Still In Family

by pale.emperor in

situation is, i'll never return to the wt.

my family with never leave the wt.. depending on who you ask you'll get the following answers when you ask about me:.

my family: he's confused.

pale.emperor

Hey pale... maybe its a culture thing but why are you asking your mother if you can go to her house? It will be a cold day in hell before I am not allowed in the house I grew up in.

My mum has complete trust in the WT mags and has never questioned them. Even when you mention old teachings she claims that they were never taught. She's that indoctrinated.

I saw her today actually, my little 2yo girl was asking if she could visit her so i made arrangements to go to the house to drop her off. My mum text me refusing to let me even in her street. I had to meet her in a train station and pass her to her. Not a single word was said to me. It's very strange. I have to collect her from the same spot later after work. It was as if i was invisible. My daughter was showered with attention though as if i wasnt there. As her little hand was waving me goodbye my mum took her hand and quickly put it behind her back and took her away.

All because i left the organization.

After that treatment i've written her a letter (see my other post), she wont be seeing her again.

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If Apostates Were Allowed To Stay In The Congregations...

by JW_Rogue in

my wife was playing the "stay loyal" convention that she taped the other day and i noticed the brother said something that wasn't in the outline.

during one of the talks friday on shunning he said "can you imagine if apostates were allowed to stay in the congregations?

the congregations would be a garbage heap instead of the spiritual paradise they are now.

pale.emperor

There's that old saying by elders "The truth comes out eventually. You can't sin in secret". It's interesting because from studying human beliefs and psychology there's a notion that if you believe something, you begin to act in accordance with it. I.e. if you believe you're going to get found out, you do. Because subconsciously you begin to give yourself away.

That's why pathological liars can pass lie detector tests. They believe they're telling the truth. If you believe you're going to get found out you will.

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Letter To My Mother

by pale.emperor in

seeing as im being shunned by my family and friends.

i've decided to turn the tables and shun them back - but using the same methodology and reasoning they use on me.

i've written the following letter:.

pale.emperor

Seeing as im being shunned by my family and friends. I've decided to turn the tables and shun them back - but using the same methodology and reasoning they use on me. I've written the following letter:

Dear mum
This will be the last time you hear from me. Since being disfellowshipped I’ve taken the advice of elders and Watchtower publications and studied the bible to draw close to Jehovah. I now know that I am close to Jehovah. More so than I’ve ever been. However, from my studies it is clear to me that we must stick to Gods word rather than mans.
It’s very clear to me that the love you have for me is conditional on the basis that I am one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. But be assured that the love I have for you in unconditional. That won’t change. But at the same time my love is wasted because you are commanded to hate me (Watchtower 1961 Jul 15 p.420).
Please be assured that I worship Jehovah. I approach him through his son Jesus Christ and study His word the bible daily. Jesus words take precedence over what any man or organization tells me, I hope you can understand that. (Matthew 5:44)
As such I will no longer try to contact you, and will no longer allow <my daughter> to see you. Nor any other children I may have. <my daughter> asks about you a lot and she likes to see photo’s of you and <my step-brother> (there’s one in her room that she kisses). But to save her the emotional burden I have removed any photos of you. And when she asks I have started to tell her that you’re not allowed to see us anymore.
I understand you do this because you think it’s what God wants. And if that’s you’re sincere believe I’ll respect that. But it’s my sincere belief that shunning to the extent that the WT society demands is unscriptural.
Please also read Watchtower 1977 Jun 1 p.347 in which you’re also admonished not to attend my funeral if I die. I may as well tell you now that I’ve had two cancer scares in the past 3 years. The last one being only 3 months ago (<my ex-wife> will confirm that if you ask her) when I had to get a full medical. At the moment they don’t think I have prostate cancer but I do believe I will have it one day seeing as my dad and grandad did.
I thank you for raising me and looking after me as a child and in a way I’m glad that growing up I didn’t have a mother-son relationship with you like my brothers and sisters had. Otherwise it would have made me cutting off contact with you a lot harder. As I raise <my daughter> alone I will show her unconditional love despite what beliefs she has, despite what she does and even if she doesn’t love me back. I cant help but love her, and would gladly die in Armageddon than shun her. I hope you understand that.
This hasn’t been an easy letter to write. Please understand that I follow Gods word, not mans. And I question any organization that claims to be God’s that would use emotional blackmail to this extent.
Your son
<Pale.Emperor> x

Not nice when it's done back is it? Not nice when someone uses emotions as leverage. Maybe she'll know what it's like every day for me for the rest of my life.

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They Don't Have A Secret Elder's Book

by pale.emperor in

"they don't have a secret elder's book" so said my mother.

"all of our publications are open to everyone.

we all have the same information and nothing is hidden in this religion.".

pale.emperor

Download it here: https://thetruthofjehowaswittness.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/jehovas-vitner.pdf

Makes interesting reading.

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JW's opinions on bunker video

by neat blue dog in

the so called bunker video isn't just getting attention here but among jws as well.

i've heard a fair share of cracks, some half joking half serious about the prospect of the video playing out in real life .

but something else i've heard is that the video was meant to be figurative, an illustration representing the 'interior rooms' prophecy..

pale.emperor

I dunno, i wouldn't mind being locked in a bunker with this...

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They Don't Have A Secret Elder's Book

by pale.emperor in

"they don't have a secret elder's book" so said my mother.

"all of our publications are open to everyone.

we all have the same information and nothing is hidden in this religion.".

pale.emperor

"They Don't Have A Secret Elder's Book" so said my mother. "All of our publications are open to everyone. We all have the same information and nothing is hidden in this religion."

If only she knew. I never bothered showing her my copy because her cognitive dissonance is highly advanced. Before i discovered the elders guidebook which my father-in-law left lying around i had no idea one even existed. And what's worrying is, there's things in there that JW's dont know they can be DF for.

Does anyone know if they have a scriptural reason to keep the book a secret?

I'll leave you with another quote of my mother, but please remember she's a victim of this cult and has been since her indoctrination when she was 12 years old in a foster home because of her abusive parents: "If a Watchtower said that black is white, and white is black then i believe it. It doesn't matter what so called proof people have, if the Watchtower says its true then its true."

I dont have to tell you how very dangerous this type of thinking is. It conjures up images of Jonestown, Nazi Germany, North Korea and radical Islam.

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Rank & file are seeing the money-grubbing

by Zoos in

spoke with a fellow apostate from my own area.

she and i bailed out about the same time and kept in touch.. she used to do secular work with one of the local elders in his cleaning business until she got dfed.

this same elder was one of the more profound dickheads on my reinstatement committee, before i turned around two years later and daed.. business required her to contact the elder on behalf of an old client.

pale.emperor

I used to feel comfortated that Gods true organisation never asked me for money and no collections were ever taken. That all changed when, about a year or two ago, we were shown a video of a construction project here in the UK that required more donations to complete. After the talk the elder told the servants to pass each member a slip of paper with something like HOW MUCH CAN YOU GIVE? written on it. And you were supposed to hand this to your group elder once you completed it. It was suggested that everyone give about £20 each.

Any other UK members remember this?

It was the seed that grew to my awakening. I started questioning a lot of things from then on. C.T.Russell always said "We never beg, or petition for money. Yet the money finds up because it's the Lords work. If the money ever stopped, we'd take that as Gods indication that the work no longer has Gods backing".

All's i can say to that is... "no shit."