i may have missed this, but can anyone tell me what was the pretext the gb concocted to justify their abandonment of a perfectly suitable, high-profile, high-visibility complex in what is arguably the world's greatest metropolis for the bucolic isolation of upstate new york.
any how does the move square with their purported belief in the imminence of armageddon?
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Think of how much that building in Brooklyn would make when they sell it.
It's all very well having a nice building in a great location but when one has child abuse victims to pay out for it makes sense to sell up and pretend Jehovah guided you to do it.
That plus most cults end up in some sort of secluded place away from prying eyes.
Peoples Temple had Jonestown Guyana.
The moonies have lots of secluded centres.
Scientology has Sea Org
And now the Jehovahs Witnesses have Warwick
there are many of us on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists.. i think this is a great and wonderful thing to be celebrated!
i'd like people to list the reasons why they do not believe that jehovah exists.
this is open to all, not just atheists or agnostics, but anyone that believes that the god as put forward by jw.org does not and can not be real.. i'll start: .
A god such as Jehovah wouldn't appoint a pedophile elder or min servent who is hiding what he is from everyone.
A god that has, allegedly, instilled in me such traits compassion and love would surely display those qualities abundantly. Most of the OT makes Jehovah sound like an angry teenager playing Grand Theft Auto.
God should be intelligent enough to prove to every person on earth that he exists 100%.
there are many on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists; that he is not a real being.
but, he is as real as next breath you draw into your nostrils.. some of you say that there is no evidence that he exists.
yet, none of you can prove that he does not exits.. cofty, (you come to mind), i appreciate that you have stated, without reservation, that you do not believe that god exists.. yet, you cannot prove it.. hope in jehovah..
It seems clear and obvious to me that JW's are Christians.
Why do you think otherwise?
Hi Nicolaou. I didnt see the debate, sorry. However, i used to be firmly convinced that the JW religion was identical to the teachings of Jesus. Since leaving and studying more im convinced that they're not. I agree that the preaching, neutrality, pacifist way of living is very Christlike. However it's the intention of those things that matter. The preaching work is to make more converts for the org. There's no room for debate over doctrine. There was no real joy serving Jehovah, i always felt out of reach from him. Witnesses are spied upon by other witnesses, their personal matters are interfered with and they're not allowed to look at anything negative about the org.
It's very "organization" based. The focus should be on Jesus, God and ones relationship with them.
there are many on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists; that he is not a real being.
but, he is as real as next breath you draw into your nostrils.. some of you say that there is no evidence that he exists.
yet, none of you can prove that he does not exits.. cofty, (you come to mind), i appreciate that you have stated, without reservation, that you do not believe that god exists.. yet, you cannot prove it.. hope in jehovah..
None of us here were members of the Christian congregation - because the JW religion is not Christianity. Since being free of the Watchtower I see things more clearly. IF God resists then he/she/they/it should reveal themselves if they want to be worshipped. Then you need to prove it's the God of the bible. You know, that collection of books written by people thousands of years ago and compiled by the Catholic Church. Then you need to prove his name is Jehovah - a Catholic mistranslation.
And if you can do all that then surely you need to acknowledge that he's an asshole by committing mass genocide, approving of slavery, rape and the abuse of women since ancient times. Not to mention allowing Child abuse for decades in his own organisation.
Go!
your challenge, if you choose to accept it, is to go onto jw.org.
take one of their pics from any publication and add your own speech bubbles or caption.. here's mine.
picture taken from the watchtower feb 2017.. .
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/nov/28/jehovahs-witnesses-did-not-protect-children-from-abuse-inquiry-finds.
im printing this off and spending my next sunday morning doing some door to door work posting this article through all the letter boxes of the street my local kh is on.. it's shocking that none of the r&f know about this.
i have a feeling that the 2 witness rule will be revised in 2017 and made to look like it was jehovah's proper time.
Im printing this off and spending my next Sunday morning doing some door to door work posting this article through all the letter boxes of the street my local KH is on.
It's shocking that none of the R&F know about this. I have a feeling that the 2 witness rule will be revised in 2017 and made to look like it was Jehovah's proper time. When in fact they dont even know there's been 5 decades of cover up and a major court case forcing them to make a change.
this is an excerpt about shunning from the royal commissions latest (final?
) report: i think it is a must read and shows clearly that shunning also needs to be considered when child abuse is discussed and how cruel it is.. here the report:.
jehovah’s witnesses are counselled against associating, fraternising or conversing with a person who has been disfellowshipped or who has chosen to disassociate from the jehovah’s witness organisation.
I have a sneaky feeling that the child abuse reporting policy will be revised in 2017 and the rank and file will think it was Jehovah's doing... not knowing that there's been a major court case and it's taken 5 decades of abuse and cover up for force them to do something.
i'm at my quasi-thanksgiving dinner with relatives.
i hear a haunting sound from another room.
"is that a children's song?
From where im sitting at home I'll tell you what's "just around the corner"... a liquor store. There's my paradise right there.
In all serious though, would you REALLY want to live in a world full of Jehovahs Witnesses? I think i'd rather die in armageddon.
hi guys.. "brother" jose is quite possibly the most sinister speaker i've ever seen or heard.
and i've seen/head a lot of cults in my time.. he's over the top with his voice tone and gestures.
i see a future governing body member in the making here:.
I just can't imagine Jesus talking or acting anything like that. It's rare that you'd see an excellent speaker who was also approachable and not up his own ass.
hi guys.. "brother" jose is quite possibly the most sinister speaker i've ever seen or heard.
and i've seen/head a lot of cults in my time.. he's over the top with his voice tone and gestures.
i see a future governing body member in the making here:.
This is from the last regional convention guys. The very first talk on the first day.
This was the first RC in which I never attended - thank Vishnu/Allah/Frejya/Jupiter. I think I would've walked out 2 mins in.
