Posts by pale.emperor

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Had twin babies with a married JW?!?!?!?!?!?! advice & thoughts

by Gokumonkey in

before i begin i just wanna say, im not proud of what i did, it was wrong but it happened now im just trying to do the right thing.. ok so im a "worldly" person and i meet a jw women at my job.

i had no idea she was married due to the fact that she hid her wedding ring.

i even ask if she was in a relationship and she denied it.

pale.emperor

I think this is a load of bull.

A fantasist has found our site.

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Family of Jehovah's Witness who died after refusing blood transfusion can't keep suing doctors

by pale.emperor in

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/court_nixes_lawsuit_by_family.html.

the family of a jehovah's witness who died after repeatedly refusing blood transfusions can't sue the hospital where doctors begged for a chance to save her life, a state appeals court ruled.. the case, outlined in an opinion by superior court judge jacqueline o. shogan, involves a convergence of religion, medicine and the law.. its focus is on what happened before terri seels-davila, a jehovah's witness missionary, died after giving birth at hahnemann university hospital in philadelphia in november 2010.. seels-davila, who had been serving on mission with her husband in nicaragua, chose hahnemann because of its "bloodless medicine" program for patients who won't agree to having blood transfusions, including jehovah's witnesses, shogan noted.

the treatment plan for seels-davila called for recycling her own blood back into her system.. yet that proved to be inadequate when complications of her delivery required seels-davila to deliver by cesarean section.

pale.emperor

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/court_nixes_lawsuit_by_family.html

The family of a Jehovah's Witness who died after repeatedly refusing blood transfusions can't sue the hospital where doctors begged for a chance to save her life, a state appeals court ruled.

The case, outlined in an opinion by Superior Court Judge Jacqueline O. Shogan, involves a convergence of religion, medicine and the law.

Its focus is on what happened before Terri Seels-Davila, a Jehovah's Witness missionary, died after giving birth at Hahnemann University Hospital in Philadelphia in November 2010.

Seels-Davila, who had been serving on mission with her husband in Nicaragua, chose Hahnemann because of its "bloodless medicine" program for patients who won't agree to having blood transfusions, including Jehovah's Witnesses, Shogan noted. The treatment plan for Seels-Davila called for recycling her own blood back into her system.

Yet that proved to be inadequate when complications of her delivery required Seels-Davila to deliver by cesarean section. She developed internal bleeding. Even though doctors warned that her condition was dire, Seels-Davila, her husband and other family members refused to consent to a transfusion, court filings state.

Those filings include testimony from a doctor who said Seels-Davila told him "she was a minister of the faith...and that she was OK with whatever happened." Seels-Davila died four days later.

Seels-Davila's family sued the hospital for medical malpractice in 2012. During a civil trial three years later, a Philadelphia County jury ruled in favor of the hospital and the doctors who treated her.

The family's failed appeal to the state court represented an attempt to revive the suit. Seels-Davila's relatives claimed, among other things, that the county judge wrongly prevented an expert witness from testifying against the bloodless medicine program and didn't allow them to press a claim for corporate negligence.

Shogan agreed that the expert witness wasn't qualified to testify in the case. The family's failure to provide a competent expert witness also undermined its corporate negligence claim, she found.

The state judge found as well that the county judge rightly allowed the jury to see the consent forms Seels-Davila signed in which she explicitly refused to consent to transfusions.

"The consent forms were not admitted merely to show that Seels-Davila understood the risks of treatment, yet elected to proceed," Shogan wrote. "The consents were admitted to prove that Seels-Davila knowingly refused treatments that would have saved her life."

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Monica Richardson - "[Evolution] was something I never doubted; it was taught as a scientific fact."

by cognisonance in

so i found another piece in the no 4.

2017 awake attacking evolution.

wow two attacks in the same article!anyway richardson is a physician the jws are cherry picking to support the idea even intelligent people can think evolution is nonsense.

pale.emperor

I can say a similar thing about my former religion:

"I believed in Watchtower because of my theocratic education. Everybody did. It was something I never doubted; it was taught as a scientific fact."

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What happened in 1995?

by pale.emperor in

i was born in 1984 so was only 9yo in 1995. i read on various posts on here and on other websites about false expectations about 1975 and 1995. i'm aware of the 1975 failure but what was said in 1995?.

pale.emperor

Thanks guys. I wanted to get a clear understanding from those who actually remembered it. I'd like to say that if i were my 32yo self back in 1995 that i'd wake up and leave but probably not. When they brought in the overlapping generation teaching only a few years ago, i remember reading it in the Watchtower, i remember sitting i the KH studying it but not even noticing what it was they were saying. It was a major teaching that no one in the KH was even paying attention to. It's seems we all just go to the KH on Sunday because that's what we do. And we study this magazine because that's what we've always done.

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Most Jw would take a bullet before renouncing faith

by Chook in

our enthusiasm for truth is not shared with our former brothers.

they base their whole lives on a historical book yet won't look back 50 years to see origins of cult..

pale.emperor

When i was in i was 100% convinced id be sent to prison one day for my faith. The great tribulation and all that. I actually looked forward to it. A chance to prove to Jehovah and everyone else how strong my faith was.

However... my child being born really made me re-think a lot of things. I remember thinking there was no way i'd refuse her a blood transfusion if thats what doctors said she needed. Nor would i let her be taken off me during "the great tribulation" like the Nazi's did with witnesses. Made me see that i actually loved someone more than Jehovah. That was a real wake up for me. 2 years later i start lurking on here.

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I've created a survey

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

thanks for taking part in the previous poll i did about disfellowshipping.. i've created a survey here: https://goo.gl/atcm22.

and the results will be published here: https://goo.gl/qzqzjd.

pale.emperor

How come my score was a 0 ?
What am I missing here ?

The 0 thing was because i was going to add another question but didnt and they wouldnt let me delete the box. Ignore it.

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What happened in 1995?

by pale.emperor in

i was born in 1984 so was only 9yo in 1995. i read on various posts on here and on other websites about false expectations about 1975 and 1995. i'm aware of the 1975 failure but what was said in 1995?.

pale.emperor

I was born in 1984 so was only 9yo in 1995. I read on various posts on here and on other websites about false expectations about 1975 and 1995. I'm aware of the 1975 failure but what was said in 1995?

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I've created a survey

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

thanks for taking part in the previous poll i did about disfellowshipping.. i've created a survey here: https://goo.gl/atcm22.

and the results will be published here: https://goo.gl/qzqzjd.

pale.emperor

Yh the guys on the Facebook group said the same. My bad. I'll know now for next time.

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I've created a survey

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

thanks for taking part in the previous poll i did about disfellowshipping.. i've created a survey here: https://goo.gl/atcm22.

and the results will be published here: https://goo.gl/qzqzjd.

pale.emperor

Hi guys. Thanks for taking part in the previous poll i did about disfellowshipping.

I've created a survey here: https://goo.gl/AtcM22

And the results will be published here: https://goo.gl/qZQzjD

I'm using these to get accurate stats for my studies regarding cults and assisting those who leave.

There's only about 20 questions. Your time is appreciated.

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Jehovah's people are not happy people

by Phoebe in

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i finally stopped attending the meetings about 4 months go.

i won't be going back - ever.. but i've decided the best reply to the watchtower is to be happy and i do try to be happy every day even thought i wasted my entire life on this religion.

i cherish every day, practice mindfulness and do my best to be content with the life i have.. it is only now that i see that most jws i know are deeply unhappy people.

pale.emperor

I know at least 10 people from my last congregation that are on medication for depression. My ex-mother in law is one of them. She's the most miserable, depressed and stressed person i've ever known. My ex-wife is depressed and always focuses on the negative. Even when we were together she attempted suicide 3 times.

My mother is on anti depressants too.

And think about it, when we were JWs, what was there to live for? What was there to enjoy? Fake "fellowship" with fakes "friends"? 90% of the time i was never included in social gatherings like you see in the Watchtower magazines. Reason being i wasnt single. The single brothers would arrange get-togethers at their houses, invite the single sisters, who'd turn up with their female friends, and of course you HAVE TO invite the cliques from the hall. So there's me sat at home week after week, month after month, year after year wasting my youth.

Fortunately now im out i get to use my outgoing nature to meet new people. People who know me say i "work the room" meaning i go around the venue like a host and introduce myself and know everyone's name by the end of the night.