http://library.jw-wayback.org/jw-wb/Photos-Pictures/People/Guy%20PIERCe%20(1934-2014).pdf
Interesting to read his backstory. A little sad that they refer to his first marriage as "Guy married a woman with 2 children". Did she have a name?
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GB Member Guy Pierce Memorial Card
by pale.emperor inhttp://library.jw-wayback.org/jw-wb/photos-pictures/people/guy%20pierce%20(1934-2014).pdf.
interesting to read his backstory.
a little sad that they refer to his first marriage as "guy married a woman with 2 children".
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JW-Wayback.org - Massive Watchtower Archives Free To Download
by pale.emperor inhttp://jw-wayback.org/en/static1/library.
the owner has done an excellent job of scanning, downloading and making available pretty much everything watchtower ever did.. one to bookmark i think!.
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http://jw-wayback.org/en/static1/library
The owner has done an excellent job of scanning, downloading and making available pretty much everything Watchtower ever did.
One to bookmark i think!
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Lets be honest guys, most of us here read it on PDF downloaded for free somewhere. If we hadn't we'd have been worse off trying to recover.
That's your best bet Ponyo.
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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pale.emperor
I think religion tries to have the monopoly on morality. I have my own morality and i see some very immoral things that YHWH did in the bible. If he were a human being on earth he'd be worse that Pol Pot, Stalin and Hitler.
However, there are things that many religions called immoral that i personally have no problem with.
Perhaps there's an evolutionary answer for this, protecting myself and my genes and my offspring obviously ensures the survival of my genes. The means of doing so may be considered immoral by some people.
Killing someone who's trying to kill me? I say moral. Bible says immoral.
Stoning someone to death for picking up sticks on Saturday? I say immoral. Bible says moral.
We certainly shouldn't be getting our morals from the Bible, Quran or L Ron Hubbard.
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Need help understanding the Overlapping Generation teaching
by Jules Saturn inso this is a topic that seriously boggles my mind and please correct me if i'm wrong.
to me, the jw definition of the overlapping generation teaching is that the lives of the anointed from 1914 overlap with the lives of the anointed right now.
david splane used the example of fred franz and how he finished his "earthly course" in 1992 but while he did, he had a lot of "contemporaries" that outlived him and are currently living today.
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I was still a JW when this came out, surprisingly, no one in the KH seemed to even notice that this is a major doctrinal change and they just went "meh..." and went along with it.
As i understand it, as a kid i was taught that the big A would definitely come before 2000 because it'll come before the anointed die, and they were all chose in 1914, and they wern't baptized as kids, they were grown up. And there's only a few left.
Then the unthinkable happened.... they all died.
Then the new teaching is that Jehovah was still anointing people during the lifetime of the 1914 group, so those who were anointed during the lifetime of the last of the 1914 group to die will still count towards the generation Jesus was talking about.
Now all they have to do is take out their bibles and show us where that's what Jesus evidently meant, and that his apostles understood that.
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First posting on here..Hello all
by London Underground injust wanted to say a big hello to everyone, my first post on here was actually yesterday but it was deleted.. so will keep this one short to save my precious time just in case its also deleted or lost.. got fed up with years of persecution from within the congregations.
the lack of genuine friendship & lack of 'christian love'.
having personally seen many a scandalous behaviour i began doing some research online some years ago.
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Accessing from Liverpool here. Welcome to the site mate.
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Not A Day Goes By Without Me Thinking About Watchtower
by pale.emperor inalthough i consider myself completely "cured" from watchtower brainwashing, guilt tripping and propaganda, i realised today that there's not a day that goes by without me thinking of the cult we left.
i think of my former family and what i'd like to say to them, what i'd try to explain and how i'd say it without them switching the "ignore" button and running away.. today on my instagram account my little step-brother "liked" a picture i posted.
i didn't even know he was still on my friends list.
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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here
by pale.emperor inhi guys.
sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.
just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.
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If Jesus was on the earth today, would he be asked to shave before he'd be allowed to give a talk on the platform?
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Can a Governing Body member be taken task and called to a Judicial Committee by the body of elders?
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Referring to the anointed who partake of the emblems, Watchtower have said:
The number of partakers includes those who mistakenly think that they are anointed. Some who at one point started to partake of the emblems later stopped. Others may have mental or emotional problems that lead them to believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven. Therefore, the number of partakers does not accurately indicate the number of anointed ones left on earth." Watchtower 2016 Jan study ed pp.25-26
With that in mind, could the governing body be mistaken in thinking that they're anointed? Would we ever know if they really were? If they're not anointed, should they even be on the governing body?
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The Governing Body admit that they are "neither inspired nor infallible" [Watchtower Feb 2017]. Isnt this also true of The Pope? The Archbishop of Canterbury? Thomas S Monson of The Latter Day Saints? The Dalai Lama? You and me?
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How do we know that all this new light is not just apostasy?
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Out of the world, into the Truth
by apalro infor some background - i studied on & off as a child with a jehovah's witness who has been patiently working on lots of our family for more than a decade and never gave up on any of us.
as a middle-schooler and a highschooler, my love for jehovah and any association with my childhoood bible teacher... faded.
disappeared.
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pale.emperor
I wish you all the best and i hope you find what you're looking for.
Although...
Nobody ever made me feel small or guilty about being a 20 year old with a child out of wedlock. Not ever. They all welcomed me and my child. They were warm, loving and supportive.
you do realize that's because you're not a JW right? Have a child out of wedlock as a baptized JW and see how loving they treat you then.
But, sincerely, i hope you live a happy, fulfilling life free from guilt and worry. I doubt you'll get that in "the truth™" though.
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Looking for quote re: gay rights 1973-1974 WT/Awake
by cabasilas ini remembered recently an article i read in a watchtower or awake!
about 1973 or 1974. a woman gave her story of how she had rejected the fight for women's rights (it may have used the term women's lib or liberation) and became a jw.
she lived in nyc and i actually met her briefly when i was at bethel.
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I could see that Jehovah’s witnesses believe that the smashing of this system by God is near and that soon now deserving humankind will be preserved into a righteous new order.
That sentence was written 43 years ago. If that woman was 25 at the time, she'd be 68 now. What a waste of a life. Meanwhile, feminism has actually achieved quite a lot since the 70s, at least in the western world.