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  Jehovahs Witness found dead in Bali hotel

  by Solaris11 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  warren borsje an active 2nd generation jehovah's witness who made millions as a get-rich get salesman was found dead earlier this year in a hotel in seminyak, bali (reference).

  reports given to the police confirmed borsje appeared intoxicated prior to his death and needed assistance by fellow hotel guests to get to his room.

  when he didn't show up the following day to check out, hotel staff found him lying face down with blood around his mouth.

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  Terribly sad. Hope his family are bearing up.
  
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  Highlights from Leaked Bethel Videos - part 8, random stuff

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this time we get to see a new shot of the interior of the gb's board room.

  this is where the magic happens lol.. .

  here's a picture of a british couple.

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  What is it about the front row? In each congregation they tend to avoid the front rows like the plague.
  
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  Atheists - How Did You Become An Atheist After Waking Up?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i consider myself an atheist.

  and right now i'm reading a lot on atheism in general (books written to answer creationists).. i'd be interested in knowing how you became an atheist after leaving the jws and how long did it take?

  was it instant or did your belief in a deity gradually decline?.

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  As a true believer before I left the religion it puzzled me no end that after nearly 100 years of preaching D2D that if I went around the block where I lived and asked people what they knew about J.W.`s their answer would be they don`t take blood transfusions or they just come round bible bashing or they dont salute the flag and that`s about it .

  And I began to think what a waste of time ? their is something seriously wrong here ?

  I know what you mean smiddy3.

  It used to really confuse me (and annoy me) that we boasted about being active in almost all lands and preaching gods kingdom for over 100 years - yet nobody even knew what we believed! If God were calling us into account for preaching his word he'd surely have found us lacking. Wernt the stones supposed to cry out if nobody witnessed? (Luke 19:40)
  
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  Atheists - How Did You Become An Atheist After Waking Up?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i consider myself an atheist.

  and right now i'm reading a lot on atheism in general (books written to answer creationists).. i'd be interested in knowing how you became an atheist after leaving the jws and how long did it take?

  was it instant or did your belief in a deity gradually decline?.

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  I consider myself an atheist. And right now i'm reading a lot on atheism in general (books written to answer creationists).
  

  I'd be interested in knowing how you became an atheist after leaving the JWs and how long did it take? Was it instant or did your belief in a deity gradually decline?

  When I woke up from the Watchtower cult I still believed in some sort of god. It wasn't until a few months later that i came to the conclusion that there probably is not god. Looking back i can see that it happened in stages:

  1. Still believed in Jehovah, but not the Watchtower (this is when i considered myself "awake" from Watchtower.
  2. Still believed the bible, but that it was gods general thoughts that had been watered down and corrupted over time.
  3. Believed in a god/goddess
  4. Studied Hinduism/Paganism/Old Norse religion and was open to the idea of worshiping nature under the personification of gods (at this stage i think i was just grasping at straws)
  5. Read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins and had a very real mental shift. I was off kilter for a few weeks not really sure of myself.
  6. Decided that there's no evidence for any god and that the most important thing is to treat myself and others well regardless.

  After becoming an atheist again (i say "again" because we were all born atheists) there was a lot of things to think about and to deal with. Yes, i will die and never come back. No, i'll never see my dead father and grandparents again - the memories I have of them are all that are left. Yes, i should work to make my community/country/world a better place, no, nobody is going to solve world hunger overnight.

  At the end of it all though, it's made me a much happier, grateful and kinder person. Anyone else feel that way?
  
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  2018 Convention movie: Jonah.... oh my god it's bad......!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, once again the society has produced a cringe-worthy, spew-inducing piece of "cinema".. i don't recognise this religion anymore...... enjoy this review:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0tovqkfem.

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  Love how Jonah's sister is an airhead who just cooks and cleans and blindly believes anything she's told.

  Wasnt aware he even had a sister.
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  What's it like these days for teenagers?

  by JeffT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i converted at age 22, and left 15 years later (1988) so i don't really know what its like to be in high school as a jw.

  for those of you who do know: do teenage jw's hang out with each other?

  worldly kids?

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  My teenage years were the mid 90s to early 00s. Looking back I'm suprised I turned out relatively well adjusted.

  I wasn't an elders kid so I wasn't in the clique. Always left out of parties and wedding invites when literally everyone else my age in the KH was invited. I wasn't allowed to play out with friends because they weren't JW. The only JWs in my school were my two sisters and one of my cousins. I did manage to make friends in high school - being a geek I was in the geek gang but I really enjoyed it. It was great to have friends (about 10 in our gang).

  Wasnt allowed to stay after school for clubs like sports or extra classes that I actually would have loved to do. I always wanted to learn German and my school offered it after school on Thursdays and Tuesdays... meeting days. But I wasn't allowed to join after school clubs snyway so it wouldn't have mattered.

  By age 15 I started to just ignore my parents demands and I would stay behind after school to use the internet with my friends. Internet wasn't allowed at home due to some Watchtower article or something my parents had read. My mum actually said "I don't like the internet. It's full of information". So Yh, that's the sort of mentality I was up against. But my dad relented because I was learning guitar and all the sheet music was online free so it was actually helping me. My dad came from a very musically inclined family so he was over the moon to see me take an interest in music.

  One major thing for me about high school was handling bullies. I was never bullied as such, but kids knew they could do whatever and I wouldn't hit them back. My asshole mother had indoctrinated me since day 1 that to fight back is unchristian and I should wait for Jehovah to handle them in Armageddon. Bullies didn't make an issue of the JW thing because one of the tough kids that everyone liked had a dad who is a JW and min servant (this kid was fortunate enough to have a non JW mother and wasn't raised as one).

  I didn't seem to have it as bad as others. I genuinely believed the Watchtower crap. So wasn't ashamed of being identified as a JW.

  Eventually there sprouted up a great party scene in the NW of England and my sisters were always invited because boys liked them. I would tag along and slowly broke out of my very shy self. There was a party almost every weekend. Manchester, North Wales, Liverpool, Bolton - you got to meet loads of people and I have some great memories. Funny, the vast majority of these people have all woke up and left!

  I remember one guy used to host epic parties. He'd empty his house of all the furniture and every room was bouncing. It was so good he got disfellowshipped for it. Now THAT was a party.
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  August 2018 Study Watchtower - Some wise words for JW's to consider!

  by The Fall Guy in

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  2. bible

  do you have the facts?.

  page 3 - as true christians, we need to develop the ability to evaluate information and reach accurate conclusions.. page 4 - it is especially important to avoid (view) websites promoted by apostates.

  (awakened jw's) their whole purpose is to tear down (inform) god’s people and to distort (reveal) the truth.

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  It's very strange to read. The things they're accusing "the apostates" of are the very things they're doing.

  They advise the reader to look for reliable information, then tell them not to waste their time! How can someone know if information is factual or not without even looking at it in the first place???
  

  To make good decisions, we need solid facts. Therefore, we need to be highly selective and to choose carefully what information we will read. (Read Philippians 4:8, 9.) We should not waste our time viewing questionable Internet news sites or reading unsubstantiated reports circulated via e-mail. It is especially important to avoid websites promoted by apostates.
  

  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-august-2018/do-you-have-facts/
  
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  Appointments

  by asp59 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how big you think the percentage of reaching out for appointments in organization is base on:.

  a brother wanted receive praise from other'sb wanted to marry thought having appointment would make that possiblec wife push him if he was marriedd pressure from other'se a career pathf possibility to dominate/control othersg he wanted to have appointment cause of love and wanted to help others..

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  I never wanted to be a MS or Elder. But i did get a lot of "positive peer pressure" from my elder father in law.

  I saw F happen a lot though. The G's tended to stay MS's indefinitely i noticed.
  
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  Cardinal George Pell Senior Member of the Vatican on Sex Charges in Australia to stand Trial.

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  cardinal george pell will return to court in a fortnight ,he has been committed to stand trial relating to multiple complainants .. magistrate belinda wallington struck out about half the charges including the most serious of them .. cardinall george pell denies all charges against him.. the world media is watching the outcome of this trial he is the most senior member of the vatican to be charged with such an offence and by, all people , australians who have conducted their own arc into institutionalized child sexual abuse of children .. we wait with baited breath ( for a just outcome ) in all of these investigations ..

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  Isnt this the guy who said he'd never report child abuse to the authorities if it was reported to him?
  
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  How many people have been woken up by the A.R.C??

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know of 1 that watched the video and never went back.. i think for some it was a the sum of the total or the "last straw" if you like.. karter..

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  I'm in the UK and I never learned of the ARC until I left. When I was a JW I was aware that "apostates were making up lies about us having pedophiles in our organisation" and of course I dismissed these claims immediately believing that Jehovah would never allow such a thing so it can't be true.

  If I mention it to witnesses today they think I'm just making it up.