Posts by pale.emperor

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Rumor: Discouraging news from GB at upcoming CA?

by bohm in

jw
friends

this is on the reddit frontpage and sounds super weird.

can it be confirmed in any way by anyone here?.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/4u72dk/what_kind_of_announcement_could_cause_jws_to/.

pale.emperor

Maybe the statue and it's toes mean nothing, and the whole thing is just the ramblings of a paranoid schizophrenic who's gone bat-shit crazy coz he's been taken as a slave in Babylon?

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The Elders want to meet with me and the hubby... Lol lol lol

by Sevan in

jw
friends

so the elders called wanting to meet with me and my husband.

most likely because i told a concerned jw friend of mine that i really care about that i wasn't coming back and a couple of the issues i had.

i didn't bring up any so-called "apostate" information, just told her about the australian royal commission and that there are a lot of unscriptural teachings and that the gb apply scriptures that are about jehovah and jesus to themselves, which is idolatry.

pale.emperor

Hi Sevan. Thanks for posting that. Are you gonna tell them to not bother coming for a visit?

I'm only sad about those that I care about that are still in. That I can't say a proper farewell and tell them how much I love them. It is bull that I can't show them all that I've found. They probably wouldn't be willing to listen anyway, but I should at least have the option to try to help them. Even though I know their friendship is conditional on me being a JW, as they have been trained and as I was trained for too long, I do still think they are good people and I still do love my friends in the congregation. Very sad and heartbreaking.

I know what you mean, i feel the same way. There's no way my still in family would listen to the facts and evidence we know. A switch would flick in their brain as "apostasy" and we'd be shut down. I've yet to celebrate my first birthday and im in my 30s! Im glad you had a nice day, and your step-daughter.

It's my hope that if my siblings or mother leave i'll be there for them, and when (and i mean WHEN) my little nephews/neices try to leave i'll be there for them. Not tell them what to do but just be the unconditional loving family member everyone should have.

Take care.

Pale.Emerpor

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"That Makes Your Organisation, In Many Respects, A Captive Organisation"

by pale.emperor in

a segment from the royal commission in australia where gb member geoffrey jackson is grilled by a, very fantastic, lawyer.

this should be watched by all people contemplating getting baptized as jw's.

once you're in, you cant leave and keep your family.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpir8vjsdre.

pale.emperor

A segment from the Royal Commission in Australia where GB member Geoffrey Jackson is grilled by a, very fantastic, lawyer. This should be watched by all people contemplating getting baptized as JW's. ONCE YOU'RE IN, YOU CANT LEAVE AND KEEP YOUR FAMILY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpir8vJSdrE

I used to have this image of the GB members as being humble, intelligent, bible experts. But seeing Mr Jackson on the stand here makes us all see what he is. Think of Paul, James and John who all appeared before courts and spoke with boldness. I see no similarities in this video to Paul, James or John - do you?

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A Question

by FedUpJW in

i would appreciate knowing from someone in the know if the goofy carts and rain covers are given to the congregation by the org.

or if the congregation has to pay the org for them.

i am sure i read that somewhere here in my lurking days, but am not finding it at present.. if the congregation is billed for it i intend to use that as a reason for my continued refusal to donate anything from now on.. thanks in advance..

pale.emperor

I think a better reason to not donate is that the GB members fly first class on planes (with their wives) at $4,500 a ticket!!

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/no-expense-spared-governing-body-members-do-fly-business-class

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Help Me Regain Contact With My Still In Family

by pale.emperor in

situation is, i'll never return to the wt.

my family with never leave the wt.. depending on who you ask you'll get the following answers when you ask about me:.

my family: he's confused.

pale.emperor

Your poor daughter is going to get enough JW nonsense from her mom. Please don't play into the WT dictates and go along with your mom's idea. If she won't see you, she shouldn't see your daughter. Period. Her loss, her choice and don't EVER let her suggest differently (and she will say so, explicitly.)
I've got a granddaughter who is 3. I would never cut off my kids and expect that I could see my granddaughter. If you live in Texas or Louisianna, come visit me (and stay along with your daughter for dinner!)
M.

Thanks JWDaughter. Unfortunately i live in the UK:( But the offer was lovely.

Yes i've decided to not let my mum see my daughter. I do, in part, feel a little cruel because she asks when she can go visit her nana again, but im not the one choosing to shun here.

I intend to go to the meetings, get reinstated then just not turn up ever again. I make no pretense to my family, i dont believe it's Gods organization. I'll be rejoining a cult to have contact with cult member family.

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Brother & Sister-in-Law Return to Kingdom Hall After Two Decades, Quickly Get Stumbled

by TMS in

it was a mild surprise, learning that a brother and sister-in-law had began re-associating with jehovah's witnesses after at least 25 years of being away.

the couple, of hispanic ethnicity, are in their early 60's, with their five children all grown and independent.

the family had been considered nominal jws, infrequently attending meetings, rarely in field service, but using the annual convention as their family vacation.

pale.emperor

Lets see who they call when their toilet breaks. Where, oh, where could they find a plumber who will work for free???

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The UN Files - Print Out And Keep For Your Next JW Visitor

by pale.emperor in

i've been researching the wt and the un involvement.

when i was still in and i first seen the un letter online, my cognitive dissonance kicked and i told myself it'll be a fake.

an apostate lie.. and seeing as no jw i've spoken to has ever heard of it, and flatly deny any involvement "no, they wouldn't do that", i decided to do a little "personal study" of my own.

pale.emperor

I've been researching the WT and the UN involvement. When i was still in and i first seen the UN letter online, my cognitive dissonance kicked and I told myself it'll be a fake. An apostate lie.

And seeing as no JW I've spoken to has ever heard of it, and flatly deny any involvement "no, they wouldn't do that", I decided to do a little "personal study" of my own. I intend to keep the documents on file so i can show them to my next witness caller on Saturday morning. Please note that i have no interest in spreading "false stories", "slander" or "lies". I am only interested in THE FACTS and EVIDENCE. And i have provided that evidence here.

Ok first off - in 1957 the Watchtower magazine discussed THEOCRATIC WARFARE. In a nutshell, you can lie in order to keep the preaching work going. No, not lie... just withhold information. This is something that if you were to do TO the WT society they would call you a liar. But i guess it's ok when they do it.

TAKE SPECIAL NOTE OF THE FIRST PARAGRAPH ON PAGE 286.

So lets flip this around for a second... suppose your child needs a blood transfusion. You allow him/her to have one. Later, the a JW representative (HLC member) turns up and asks if your child has had one - if we seek to protect our child and ourselves from disfellowshipping and use "theocratic warfare" we would be labelled as liars. But if the WT society does it to escape a prison sentence or interrogation its ok.

In 1991 the Watchtower society contacted the UN's NGO section and applied for membership of it's Department for Public Information. TAKE SPECIAL NOTE AT WHAT ANYONE SIGNING UP HAS TO DO IN ORDER TO BE GRANTED MEMBERSHIP:

Does that sound rather strange? The UN, the wild beast of Revelation that the kings of the nations turn to for peace and security?

For those that found out about the UN involvement, they were, naturally, stumbled. And so they asked their elders. Who were not aware of any UN involvement. Eventually, so many inquiries were being made to elders in congregations around the world that Bethel had to write to the Guardian newspaper that originally ran the exposé story.

Bethel claim it was only to use the UN library. And secondly, that they didn't know that the UN changed their criteria for membership. The first excuse may be true. But even if it was "only to use the library", this directly contradicts their own standing on this issue. See Watchtower 1979 in which it discussed why a Jehovahs Witness could not join the YMCA:

But the second excuse doesn't hold water under scrutiny. The WT society claimed that, unknown to them, the UN changed their wording on the sign up papers and when this was discovered then they withdrew membership.

The UN printed this reply:

Maybe the UN is lying? Well, here is a copy of an annual sign up form (apologies for the poor quality):

Is it a coincidence that the Watchtower society "discovered" this supposed "new wording" the very same year that the Guardian newspaper printed their story? Maybe. But i think not. If this were a court case the evidence presented above would put the WT society in a very difficult position.

But besides all this. WHY did the average JW not know about the UN involvement? If it really were just to use their library facilities they could have printed that in their Watchtowers back in 1991, thereby informing everyone in case accusations came up. And why did most elders not know?

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Help Me Regain Contact With My Still In Family

by pale.emperor in

situation is, i'll never return to the wt.

my family with never leave the wt.. depending on who you ask you'll get the following answers when you ask about me:.

my family: he's confused.

pale.emperor

Situation is, i'll never return to the WT. My family with never leave the WT.

Depending on who you ask you'll get the following answers when you ask about me:

My family: He's confused. He needs to speak to the elders and helped to come back.

The elders: He's a lying, mentally diseased apostate. Stay away from him.

Incidentally, i flatly told the elders in my JC that "i dont talk about religion". So why anyone would need to stay away from me "lest i influence them" is beyond me. Also, i've made it clear to my family that im not coming back. Ever. So shunning me to get me to "see sense and return" is pointless to.

But they continue to have nothing to do with me. They want to but they dont. Im fully commited to living a wholesome, happy, loving, generous life outside the organization. Hoping that witnesses will see that im happy and that my family will see this too.

But is it possible that my family will give in, at least in secret, and eventually have fellowship with me again? I really hope so. Im clinging to that hope. I have a brother who is mentally disabled. He must wonder where i am. I get upset thinking about him in case i never see him again. I wonder if he knows im thinking of him and i miss him.

Today one of my sisters text me just after the first day of her convention and said "please get to the convention. Theres a lovely video on disfellowshipping".

Today i text my mum and said "is it ok if i come visit you tomorrow, <my daughter> is asking for you." (she's 2 years old).

My mum replied "no. i cant see you. I'd like to see <daughter> though. Can you have someone bring her over wednesday?"

Sometimes i think of going back, pretending, so i can have my family back. And then fade. But if i do that im living a lie and wasting time on the cult which could be better spent elsewhere.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Could we use the new shunning guidelines to our advantage?

by Island Man in

according to new, officially published guidelines, jws can now shun a person who has not been disfellowshipped from the congregation.

i see this guideline being abused by many jws who have an axe to grind with a fellow jw.

for example, let's say sister peinindiass rubs sister sensitive the wrong way.

pale.emperor

We shouldn’t allow family ties to threaten our loyalty to Jehovah and his organization

It's no coincidence that they always say "Jehovah and his organization", that's loaded language that all cults use. The two fuse together so that Jehovah = the organization and the organization = Jehovah.

Also, have you noticed in the video's and examples in literature that it's always the DF person that is hard heartened, unwilling to listen, not taking his/her family tie into consideration? It's never the other way round. So mentally the cult members think there is no alternative - the DF are the ones in the wrong.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses and Child Sex Abuse – A Brief Handbook for Attorneys

by Watchtower-Free in

free download.

https://jwvictims.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-child-sex-abuse-a-brief-handbook-for-attorneys/ .

pale.emperor

FANTASTIC. Into my ever growing folder it goes.