Posts by pale.emperor

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Lying In Wait At a Bed & Breakfast

by Cold Steel in

a few years ago while traveling in the northeast, my wife and i stopped in new haven, connecticut, at a b&b we'd reserved for the night.

no sooner had we unpacked and moved into the living room for tea and treats, our hosts began to talk about religion, and we learned they were jehovah's witnesses.

i didn't mind so much, but my wife was outraged that our hosts would use their place of business as a launching point to do missionary work.

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I would have said "oh yeah i used to be a Jehovah's Witness. Im an apostate now". That would be the end of that conversation im sure.

Personally, i cant wait for my first JW door knocker or street dealer. I have a pletherer of topics to bring up.

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Every time I see one of them loving their kids, I think....

by jambon1 in

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every time i see photos of new jw parents cuddling up to their new babies.. every time i see people giving the parents new baby cards & gifts.. every time i see them having fun with their children.. i think to myself; 'you would shun your kids' .

if they don't end up being jw's.

if they simply publicly declare that they don't believe.

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I'd love to have seen some of the conversations that took place after the convention videos. Particularly the one where the parents cruelly refuse to even answer the phone to their daughter.
Theres bound to have been kids or young adults who questioned their parents on why this is seen as acceptable parenting.

My mum actually does this to me now. Before the convention she would answer the phone if i called because it could be an emergency. The day she went to that convention she stopped. Doesnt reply to my texts or voicemails either.

I happened to bump into my younger brother today in town. He stopped when he saw me and was about to walk in the opposite direction but i just approached him like i always have done and asked what he's up to, how his music is going etc. He was apprehensive at first even saying "i have to stay loyal to Jehovah". So i pulled out a photocopy of page 116 of Shepherd The Flock Of God (i carry it around in my bag in case i bump into my family, that's how sad this all is). The page basically says if family have undue association with a family member they should be counciled but it wont be dealt with judicially unless they criticize the DF arrangement or we have spiritual conversations. I have zero interest in talking about religion so he calmed down and went for a coffee with me. I dont expect that to happen all the time though. As soon as my mum gets wind of it she'll report him im sure.

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Help Please - Finding It Hard Adjusting To The Real World

by pale.emperor in

im asking for you guys help in a phase im going through right now.

im sure it’ll pass but id appreciate your advice..

born in, my family consists of mum, dad, two brothers and two sisters.

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Hi everyone. Im asking for you guys help in a phase im going through right now. Im sure it’ll pass but id appreciate your advice.

Born in, my family consists of mum, dad, two brothers and two sisters. My family were good JW’s who made sure we had NOTHING to do with non JW’s – even non JW family. So I have no idea who or where my non JW cousins are (something I deeply regret). One of my brothers isn’t baptized but he’s studying.

I have aunts and uncles and cousins who are still in.

Im disfellowshipped for apostasy. I was trying to fade but my cover was blown and in my JC I voiced my concerns over the ever changing doctrines (from their own mags). I don’t consider myself an apostate, simply someone who’s looking for truth and is humble enough to follow evidence rather than superstition or wishful thinking. Anyway, that made me “an apostate”. So my family think im disfellowshipped because I am trying to draw people away. Which im not. I told them I don’t talk about religion as a rule. So there’s no reason for any JW to be fearful of me.

Anyway. Im obviously being shunned by all of them. Because I was a good JW I had no “worldly” friends. None. So I feel like im starting my life again at 31yo. I passed up going to medical school when I was in my early 20s because Armageddon was so close. Now, it’s too late to start down that path. My brother who is studying is shunning me too but he still smokes. So it’s annoying that he’ll gladly follow the rule of shunning me but wont give up his cigarettes.

Im finding it really, REALLY difficult living in the real world. I imagine this is the point most people go back to the witnesses. It was comfortable. I mean I was miserable but I somehow felt comfortable. Im happy im out of that cult and that I can finally think for myself. But thinking for myself somehow feels wrong. Like the other day I was in a store and saw a T-Shirt that had Harley Quinn from the latest Suicide Squad movie on it. Rather skimpily dressed she was. I liked it but my JW brain clicked in “no you cant have it, its pornea”. But of course I CAN have it if I want to.

Then I written “happy birthday” on someone’s birthday card that was being passed around the office. I felt like a bad person. I know that sounds silly but it’s true.

It’s like there’s a nagging voice at the back of my brain calling me on the things I do.

Thursday evenings and Sunday mornings I feel like someone’s going to knock on my door asking why I wasn’t at the meeting. I have a new girlfriend now and although I don’t feel guilty staying over at hers I DO feel guilty in that my family don’t know about it. I mean, I would tell them, im not ashamed of it, but because they’re shunning me they don’t know anything about it. They likely think im “enjoying a sinful life” but in reality im the same person I was before. Only now im true to my inner self and I have my own morals.

Any born in’s relate to this? How long until this passes? Am I supposed to do something to speed up the transition to a normal life?

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Ideas to discreetly identify the awoken among us

by Truthexplorer in

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ok. i know this has been brought up in the past, but i have often wondered who in our halls are awake (for those of us who attend).

there are some i would consider a 'maybe', but no way of ever really knowing.. so here is my idea.

i hope it doesn't sound too masonic,.

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I know at least one awake person in my old hall. It's a damn shame because his wife and kids are fully in and we used to have some great conversations one on one and laugh at the BS that is Watchtower.

Unfortunately, he made the mistake of befriending an elder. Who promptly ~~pressured~~ assisted this brother to reach out. He and his family now go on holidays with all the elder families, spend bank holidays on walks and picnics with the elder families and is now too far in to be able to leave quietly. Even though he knows it's all rubbish.

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A sucker is born every minute

by Sour Grapes in

i was an elder in the 1970's and i was not a big fan of the "stay alive until 75" dogma.

i was looked down upon by the heavy hitters on the body of elders and in time i changed my mind.

i knew of the failed prophecy of 1914 being the end of all times which was repeated for the year 1925...yet i came to believe well maybe this time they've got it right.. with every new watchtower, i combed over every word to find support for my change in my belief that the end was coming in fall of 1975. at the district assembly in 1975, everyone clung onto every word in the final talk.

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The absurd (what isn't?) reason for this was that if Adam were to be left without a wife for decades then he could be tempted into bestiality.
"Will Jehovah allow Adam to be tempted into bestiality?" said Franz.
"No brothers and sisters." was his response to his own question.

hahahahahahahahaha!!!! oh my word!! hahahahaha!! stop!! stop it!! im screaming laughing here!!! hahahahahahahahhaha!!!!

That bro Franz should've been on stage, maybe even a tour of the US. Move over Robin Williams, Bill Hicks and George Carlin - Bro Franz is hilarious!!

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JW charged regarding child pornography

by Listener in

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/crime/article39058014.html#1.

church shouldn't have divulged child-porn suspect's alleged confession, attorney says.

elders in the jehovah’s witnesses church violated the confidentiality of steven lindhorst of paso robles when they told police about an alleged confession he made regarding child pornography, according to a defense motion.. .

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Well done to those elders who reported it.

Cummon guys, credit it where it's due - id report a pedo, confidentiality or non.

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Every time I see one of them loving their kids, I think....

by jambon1 in

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friends

every time i see photos of new jw parents cuddling up to their new babies.. every time i see people giving the parents new baby cards & gifts.. every time i see them having fun with their children.. i think to myself; 'you would shun your kids' .

if they don't end up being jw's.

if they simply publicly declare that they don't believe.

pale.emperor

I hear ya.

Although im happier being out i still have pangs of sadness every now and then throughout the day thinking of my family. They all genuinely believe that im deliberately going against Jehovah. When in actual fact i've tried to tell them that i respect that they believe it but i simply dont.

They would be happy for me to pretend to be a JW and work on my beliefs later. It's so bizarre.

And what i find most annoying is - you look at all the WT or dramas they put out... they show the disfellowshipped person as the one being headstrong and prideful walking out the door with his bags or standing there arms folded and the parents sitting there crying and comforting one another. In my case, at least, its the opposite. No one wanted to hear my reasons for leaving or what lead to me coming to my decision. I wanted to leave so that was all they needed to hear.

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Craziest thing I've seen in field service

by Chook in

working an area in town with this brother who after knocking on door and finding no one home , he stands behind small tree and has piss on front lawn.fairdinkim.i hope they weren't peeping through binds,but then again better the piss than the shit mags we were going to leave..

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I remember our group was witnessing in a tower block. One of those run down, poorly kept tower blocks that are filled with wierdos, drug addicts and the mentally ill.

Knock on a door and a homeless looking fella invites us in. We go in. The place is filthy. No carpet, wallpaper hanging off the walls, ashtrays and discarded food all over the tables and chars. And a huge pile of empty beer cans behind his sofa.

He has a painting of the virgin mary and baby jesus above his... well, that place where your fire would usually be... he told us he originally wanted to be a priest but wasn't allowed. Of course we fed him lines about him obviously being a someone who wants to serve God etc and hoping to draw him in. He suddenly put on a little girls voice and went "princess" as if he was talking to someone in the room. He would talk to us normally then suddenly put a little girls voice on again and say "princess".

Turns out, princess is his cat. That went missing in this very room 4 years ago.

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The Governing Body - your thoughts?

by pale.emperor in

im no medical professional, but i have my own opinions of the gb members.

i'd be interested to get yours.. no jokes please, im gonna be 100% serious and would like you to be too.. anthony morris iii - narcissist, controlling, possibly psychopath.

knows full well it's all bullshit but loves the power.. stephen lett - mentally ill, fantasist, liar who genuinely believes the lies he tells.. samuel hird - deluded, likely actually believes he actually is anointed by god.

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If i had to pick, I dont know which one i'd want to speak up for me at armageddon:

Anthony Morris III - nuke him!

Stephen Lett - :-) :-D :-S ;-o :-P :-)

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My Lawyers Letter To The Elders

by pale.emperor in

for those of you that asked, below is a copy of my solicitors letter to the elders in my old congregation.

he sent a similar one directly to bethel and a medical directive to my daughters gp to go on her medical records that i have already given permission for her to have a blood transfusion should she need one:.

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I think some of you are way overreacting to that picture. Apparently you never read comic books as a kid or watched any action or sci-fi movies. I can assure you I was exposed to the Paradise book, the Live Forever book, etc. and somehow I survived. Just saying

Yeah, but my daughter is 2.

She reads three little pigs, goldilocks and the three bears etc and then she's shown this???

Using the same argument, why dont JW kids play Grand Theft Auto or Street Fighter then?