Posts by pale.emperor

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Extreme rules on Dating – is this for all congregations?

by Bonnie_Clyde in

just found out that in the congregation we used to attend there are two young brothers, both are sons of elders and recently engaged to girls in neighboring congregations.

instructions are that they may not sit together at assemblies or meetings.

but get this….they can’t even ride in the same car even if their parents are also in the car.

pale.emperor

I knew one elder that made his daughter and her boyfriend sit with an inflated balloon between them.

Needless to say she ended up quite a rebel and left "the truth" as soon as she was old enough to move out. I hear she's a pole dancer now.

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Crisis of Conscience Raymond Franz

by Disassociated Lady 2 in

this book has been recommended to me a few times.

is it worth reading?.

how could i get a copy without paying the massive amount stated on amazon and ebay?

I remember reading ABOUT it when i was a Jdub and i had a hatred for Ray Franz as a Judas. Because i was TOLD that he was lying apostate. When i had doubts i started reading it and i was surprised at how kind he actually was. Everything he talked about he backed up with facsimiles, Elders letters, Watchtower/Awake mags (even giving date, issue and page numbers) and discussed some things that the Watchtower later had to come clean about. I absolutely could not fault the man or his writing. It was so humble yet to the point and fair.

14

Impact of NWT

by menrov in

hi all, just recently i was thinking about the period of my study and eventual baptism as jw.

it took many years, i guess in all about 10 years.

various times i stopped the study but after a while it started again.

pale.emperor

Maybe one liberal elder might let you use another bible. But the other two elders who "go through your baptism questions" wouldnt. I think it'd seriously hamper you getting baptized.

I myself used to collect different Bibles for study and comparison. I was treated with caution by uber Jdubs. When asked the trick question of "what do you think the best translation is?" I'd always reply "the original Hebrew and Greek".

Shut them up.

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A JW Calling Down Evil Upon Others!

by Divergent in

jw
friends

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stash: /intesoft-inc.appspot.com/post/0185f744fb5e464488b296f2b74e4ccd.html

pale.emperor

She sounds like a real catch.

12

Going To A Christening Next Week

by pale.emperor in

so my girlfriends, friend has invited me to her little boy's christening.

6 months ago if you'd asked me this i'd have recoiled in horror.

in a catholic church?!!!

pale.emperor

So my girlfriends, friend has invited me to her little boy's christening. 6 months ago if you'd asked me this I'd have recoiled in horror. ME?!! In a CATHOLIC CHURCH?!!! Baptizing a baby?!!!

But since I've left and stopped reading the mags/books and the bible and stopped praying to the invisible catholic mistranslation in the sky i have no problem attending. This morning my gf and i were laughing because i dont know what goes on. She told me the priest is gay and his boyfriend left his wife so that they could live together. That we'll all sing a hymn but no one actually knows the words so we'll all be miming (just like my old KH then). Afterward the priest may shake hands with you walking out of the church.

I've never been inside a church. Or experienced another religion's service. This'll be fun.

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Serious question..Leviticus 20:15 Why slay the beast???

by James Mixon in

it's not as if the sheep was trying to seduce the shepherd, the poor creature was violated.

we have come a long way from those days, thank goodness.

so why slay the sheep or beast?????

pale.emperor

[Pale Emperor puts on his JW head for a moment, the head that could invent reasons at the drop of a hat]

ahem... i believe because animals were peoples property they would be destroyed by invading Israelite so that nothing of the old inhabitants remained.

As killing the animal that was raped, well, in "gods eyes" it would be seen as unclean. Not fit for sacrifice or food.

[Pale Emperor puts on his reasonable head again]

Interesting article here from a Jewish scholar who claims that the animals were created as potential mates for Adam but that he rejected them all. I've heard this claim before from Rabbi Mordechai Kraft.

http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/bestiality-in-jewish-bible.html

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Final Rejection

by Disassociated Lady 2 in

i have just returned from visiting friends and family.

when i was disassociated my parents had contact with me a few months before my dad was diagnosed with cancer.

i was reinstated 20 months after his funeral and then they disfellowshipped me 5 months later as they are convinced i had not changed my life enough to be a jw again.

pale.emperor

Terrible. The scriptures do say people will have "no natural affection". For a mother to disown her own daughter because a magazine told her so i not normal. It's not natural.

I hope you live a happy, purposeful and loving life without the Watchtower - as im sure you will.

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Does becoming (or remaining) one of Jehovah's Witnesses result in Poverty? Pew Research results differ from Watchtower claims.

by Balaamsass2 in

"raised in the truth" during the 50s, 60s,and 70s i repeatedly read and heard from the platform how reading the magazines weekly "was the equivalent of a college education" and how many had turned their family economic situation around by being "trustworthy" and giving up expensive bad habits most "worldly people" had.

sounded good.. what is the reality?

how does avoiding higher education, and then spending up to 20 hours a week getting ready for, commuting, and then participating in meetings and field service affect family finances?.

pale.emperor

Just getting to the meetings cost me £80 a month in commuting. That's quite an expense for a family of 2 adults and 1 baby and only the father working.

Never donated a penny to the org in all my life. Used to feel bad about it, I'm proud of it now though.

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LEAKED Talk - Depression Is A Part Of This Life

by pale.emperor in

another leak from my collection of talks that i was ordered not to share.

an elder gave me a ton of talks from bethel and special assembleys to put on his ipod.

of course i copied them to my computer and will share them for all of us.. depression is a part of this life by brother nathan fuel.. this talk also touches on the subject of family members being disfellowshipped, feel depressed?

pale.emperor

Another leak from my collection of talks that i was ordered not to share. An elder gave me a ton of talks from Bethel and special assembleys to put on his iPod. Of course i copied them to my computer and will share them for all of us.

Depression Is A Part Of This Life by Brother Nathan Fuel.

This talk also touches on the subject of family members being disfellowshipped, feel depressed? Well it's their fault you're depressed!

It's sickening that these men have zero knowledge of the serious illness that is depression. Rather than offering any real advice they blame the sufferer or their disfellowshipped family members.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a42wCJCwpWA&feature=youtu.be

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Counting time

by Emma in

i may not have put this in the correct spot, but i do think it's scandalous the way time gets counted now.

i've seen a cart at the edge of our farmer's market, never anyone close enough to talk.

yesterday was a drizzly day and there were two carts set up, covered in plastic, "witnessing" on their own.

pale.emperor

When i was "in" we were all told that sometimes it's a good idea to stand away from the carts so that people are more likely to approach and take a mag/book.

I've never done cart witnessing, never wanted to. Only those "exemplary" witnesses can do it... exemplary meaning they're just like you and i except they just didn't tell the elders if they done anything wrong.

My mum does it, both my sisters and one of my brother in law's and one of my brothers. My other brother in law is not allowed to do it because he has a beard. (seriously).