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  by A Believer in

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  from jw org.

  “six thousand years of human existence”.

  in 1969 the watchtower magazine in czech began publishing a series of articles based on the book life everlasting—in freedom of the sons of god.

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  pale.emperor

  Ahem...
  

  

  
  
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  So my brother called me last night...

  by pale.emperor in

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  my older brother is studying with the witnesses.

  he was raised in a jw household like we all were but he never committed to it.

  he stopped attending meetings at 18yo, made a lot of bad decisions in his life and now, at 35yo is having a bible study.

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  They'll be on your brother to never speak to you again because you obviously have a demon inside you.

  Yeah i know. He's still being love bombed. One particular elder has really latched onto him. Calls him twice daily to see how his is, they hang out, the congregation invite him to a lot of things. I know that once he's baptized they'll all go.
  
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  So my brother called me last night...

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my older brother is studying with the witnesses.

  he was raised in a jw household like we all were but he never committed to it.

  he stopped attending meetings at 18yo, made a lot of bad decisions in his life and now, at 35yo is having a bible study.

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  My older brother is studying with the witnesses. He was raised in a JW household like we all were but he never committed to it. He stopped attending meetings at 18yo, made a lot of bad decisions in his life and now, at 35yo is having a bible study. He's the poster boy of "what happens to people when they want to experience the world".

  This was the first time we'd spoken in months. He's been shunning me like the rest of my family have (even though he's not a JW yet, so he can actually talk to me if he wants to).

  We talked for about an hour about whats new with me and i kept it very nice and told him how great my life is now. It was HE who turned the topic to "the truth" in the last 20mins. Unfortunately for him, he's talking to a once very committed JW who did A LOT of research and bible reading before leaving the cult. So although he was trying to make me "see sense and return to Jehovah" it actually ended up with me planting some seeds.

  He told me that his study has told him "you're asking too many questions. When you get baptized things will become more apparent. Wait on Jehovah." I had to get him to repeat that because it sounded too incredible. Yes, he's asking "too many questions". I told him there's no such thing as too many questions.

  The following seeds were planted:

  The bible students used to teach that Christ would return in 1914 and bring Armageddon. When that never happened they then said that Christ did return but he was invisible. (He didnt believe this, so i sent him a scan from one of Russel's books later that evening). Now, this cant be true because the bible says Christ will return in the same manner that he left. And when he left, the apostles saw him float up to heaven with their own eyes. So if he's to return in the same manner, that means we'd see him with our own eyes come down from heaven.
  

  Acts 1:11: and said: “Men of Galʹi·lee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus who was taken up from you into the sky will come in the same manner as you have seen him going into the sky.”

  When we were kids, our dad used to say that Armageddon would definitely come within our lifetimes. Because there were people alive that were alive in 1914 who will still be here when Armageddon comes. Remember the generation that will never pass away?

  He then said "yes, but it's been updated" (he said it as if that was a positive thing). So i said "why do you think they changed it?" and he replied "well, because they all died".
  

  Then he went on about how he's nearly finished "the book". I asked what book, the bible? He said "no, the Bible Teach book." So i asked him how much of the bible has he read on his own. He said "he reads the bible with the Watchtowers and books and looks up the scriptures they tell him to". So i said "If you're having a bible study, the bible alone should be what you're studying, and the final word on your beliefs - if of course you believe the bible". (he knows im agnostic). Then comes the kicker... he said "yes but its impossible to understand the bible without the Watchtower." I asked him to repeat that. He did. I asked "why do you say that?". "Well, because gods chosen channel is the governing body and only they can tell us what the bible really teaches". I asked why he thinks that. His answer was "because it says so in the Watchtower".

  As incredible as that sounds that actually what he said. I very nicely told him of the many, many, many errors the Watchtower has made and told him to read the Feb 2017 Watchtower which confirms they're neither inspired or infallible. Then i asked him where does the "new light" come from if they're not inspired?.

  He said he'd ask his study conductor.

  There seems to be a trend lately. A few weeks ago my sister rings out of the blue (see my previous posts) and now this with my brother. They end up going away with more questions for their elders than me feeling scared of the big org.
  
  
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  RC 2017

  by wifibandit in

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  due to last years success, i will post everything related to the 2017 regional convention in this thread.. to start us off.... thanks to exjw reddit user ich3b we have advance notice of the theme (this is not a joke!).

  the theme for the 2017 regional convention is: "don’t give up!” .

  as always, if you have access to confidential materials you would like to leak but need to protect your identity, pm me or email me: wifibandit1 (at) gmail.

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  "Don't give up" ???

  That's the best they could think of?

  I really wonder if there were other themes they were playing around with and this was the best of the bunch.

  "Don't give up" - which right away tells the R&F that many are doing just that.
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  April 2017 wt says you can't undo a dedication to God

  by poopie in

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  if that's true then you can't say such and such is no longer aa jehovahs witnesses .

  now i'm not very educated but is this like contradictory..

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  Ah but then i wasn't baptized in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit. I was baptized in the name of the father, the son and gods spirit directed organization. Therefore i was never dedicated to Jehovah.
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  The Great Watchtower Guilt Trip

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
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  as im sure almost all of us on here are ex-jw, we all know first hand how well the watchtower used the power of guilt to manipulate our thoughts and actions for the entire time we were active witnesses.

  guilty for not going on the ministry enough.. guilty for not trying harder while on the ministry.. guilty for not turning up for hall cleaning that time.. guilty for saying a swearword.. guilty for looking at a porno mag.. guilty for masturbating through my teens (i thought i was the only one who did!).

  guilty for thinking the gb is wrong on a certain thing.. guilty for touching my girlfriend there... even though we've been dating for 3 freakin years and not had sex (thats not natural imo).. guilty for not following along in the watchtower magazine on sunday.. guilty for not studying.. guilty for nodding off during the 8 hour convention.. guilty for my mind wandering during the talks.. guilty for thinking of sister so-and-so.. the list goes on.

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  Wonderful post FREEANDCLEAR. Same with me, i sneakily checked up on JWFacts and on here from time to time but my cognitive dissonance could think up lame excuses for most things. Finally getting DF'd was great because i allowed myself free reign to research like a fiend. There's absolutely no amount of cognitive dissonance that could override the stuff i know and have experienced since leaving.

  We live in a wonderful world with wonderful people. It's not perfect, it can be scarey and you need to look after yourself but it's a wonderful world.

  So much better than the JW world.
  
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  Will Governing Body stop preaching work?

  by neat blue dog in

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  at this year's annual meeting (2016), david "mark" sanderson asks the audience the question, "are you determined to keep on preaching with us until we say the work is completed?

  " to which they respond with applause.

  do you think that stopping the preaching work will ever be a part of the gb's long range plan?

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  Actually, them calling and end to the preaching work could be the GB's get-out-of-jail-free card. Think about it, stop the preaching, call it a fulfullment of prophecy. Say the end of the world is near... any day now... wait for it... GB all die in luxury and the religion fizzles out or is taken over as a splinter group and the madness continues.
  
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  I feel really, really sorry for those born into the Jehovah's Witness religion

  by jambon1 in

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  some facts that make the difference between you and me:.

  1 - as a person raised by non jw family, my parents have never loved me based on conditions set out by a group of old men who they don't even know.

  how does it feel to know that you are in the unique situation where your parents brought you into the world and said 'i'll show love to you.

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  At the time though it feels so normal. You look at your schoolfriends and the general public as "fools" for not understanding that armageddon is surely to come and destroy them all. How silly of them to be pursuing worldly hobbies and careers.

  How about this, as one raised as a JW, i NEVER got a lie in. You'd get up early for school each day, then Saturday ministry and Sunday meetings. And at circuit assembleys and conventions having to sit there ALL DAY not understanding a word of and only looking forward to the lunch break and home time.
  
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  The Great Watchtower Guilt Trip

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as im sure almost all of us on here are ex-jw, we all know first hand how well the watchtower used the power of guilt to manipulate our thoughts and actions for the entire time we were active witnesses.

  guilty for not going on the ministry enough.. guilty for not trying harder while on the ministry.. guilty for not turning up for hall cleaning that time.. guilty for saying a swearword.. guilty for looking at a porno mag.. guilty for masturbating through my teens (i thought i was the only one who did!).

  guilty for thinking the gb is wrong on a certain thing.. guilty for touching my girlfriend there... even though we've been dating for 3 freakin years and not had sex (thats not natural imo).. guilty for not following along in the watchtower magazine on sunday.. guilty for not studying.. guilty for nodding off during the 8 hour convention.. guilty for my mind wandering during the talks.. guilty for thinking of sister so-and-so.. the list goes on.

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  pale.emperor

  As im sure almost all of us on here are ex-JW, we all know first hand how well the Watchtower used the power of guilt to manipulate our thoughts and actions for the entire time we were active witnesses.
  

  Guilty for not going on the ministry enough.

  Guilty for not trying harder while on the ministry.

  Guilty for not turning up for hall cleaning that time.

  Guilty for saying a swearword.

  Guilty for looking at a porno mag.

  Guilty for masturbating through my teens (i thought i was the ONLY ONE who did!)
  

  Guilty for thinking the GB is wrong on a certain thing.

  Guilty for touching my girlfriend there... even though we've been dating for 3 freakin years and not had sex (thats not natural imo).

  Guilty for not following along in the Watchtower magazine on Sunday.

  Guilty for not studying.

  Guilty for nodding off during the 8 hour convention.

  Guilty for my mind wandering during the talks.

  Guilty for thinking of sister so-and-so.
  

  The list goes on. And it's amazing how powerful a handle guilt can have on a person. Making someone feel worthless and unimportant is cruel and unloving. It's a classic cult manipulation trait.
  

  It's only since leaving that I've felt real happiness and relief. Not having to lie about who i talk to, where im going, what i watch, if i smoke, if i try this, if i do that. In fact, i can honestly say, it took leaving the Jehovah's Witnesses to make me an honest man! On the rare occasions that Witnesses from my old KH speak to me i refuse to lie to them about what i like and what i dont like. I will mention without a trace of guilt that i was in Amsterdam a few weeks ago and smoked marijuana. That i collect Hindu idols to decorate my home and that my friends are a mix of atheists and one or two pagans.

  Being able to speak so openly about myself is so liberating and i truely value "the [real] world" for allowing me to be myself.
  
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  Does anyone have any fashion sense? Getting Married. Help?

  by RavenPearl in

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  i am a man and i have roughly 10 months to prepare for my wedding (including raising the funds etc... my fiance is caught up in her affairs associated with the wedding.

  now i do have a pretty good sense of fashion when it comes to 'dress to impress' when required.

  however, i'm not familiar with specific clothing lines.

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  A black suit and skinny black tie with a white shirt has never failed me. You'd look suave anywhere wearing that. (Love the ceremony outfit by the way).