Posts by pale.emperor

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DISTURBING! Italian TV Reporter Violently Attcked On Live TV While Reporting On African Migrants

by kpop in

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my god!

i hope she is ok!

what have you leftists done to italy?!

pale.emperor

Makes me angry too. Were the attackers migrants?

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Be ready to obey!!

by kairos in

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http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20131115/seven-shepherds-eight-dukes/.

from paragraph 17-. at that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.. i think i know what the instructions will be.it's nothing new.

pale.emperor

I heard this when i was still in and a believer. It troubled me. But my cognitive dissonance won over by saying "yeah, like Noah. Like the Israelites at the Red Sea".

Needless to say, looking at it now it's so obviously the most culty thing they've ever said.

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Elder Told A JW To Ignore Governing Body Advice

by pale.emperor in

i had an interesting conversation with a fellow ex-jw yesterday.

for the sake of this post lets call her "katie".

katie is a former pioneer who suddenly stopped attending meetings and managed to be left alone by the elders.

pale.emperor

I had an interesting conversation with a fellow ex-JW yesterday. For the sake of this post lets call her "Katie". Katie and I last met up when i first left. I had no non JW friends and so searched out other exJW's from my first congregation of the same age group as me. 90% of that age group have left. So we got in touch and met up last year. Katie is a former pioneer who suddenly stopped attending meetings and managed to be left alone by the elders. She lives a happy life outside the cult. Her mother is still very much a JW. I remember her mum from years ago when i was a kid in the KH. A very kind and genuine woman.

Katie asked me if i consider myself an apostate. I said by Watchtower standards i do. But, personally, i just regard myself as an atheist getting on with his life. She laughed and said her mum would freak if she knew she was out with an apostate. I asked how her mum would react seeing me in the street. She said "she'd still talk to you. She knows im out with you now and she said have a good time and to say hi".

Then she told me something interesting. She said "i dont know what went on last year, but my mum came back from the 2016 convention and was very on edge and worried. They'd been told to shun family members who aren't disfellowshipped but are living non JW lives."

I told her that I've seen the convention videos online and explained what i knew. Then she said:

"She asked me if i was going to ever "return to Jehovah". I said no, never. Then she visited Paul (and elder in the congregation). She asked Paul what she should do. She doesn't want to shun me and thinks its not right. Paul told her "dont worry about it". He said that announcement was wrong and doesn't expect anyone to follow it. And it'll probably be forgotten."

I told her that many are following that advice. My uncle who faded over 15 years ago was in full contact when he left with all my family. Suddenly after that announcement non of the family talk to him. She said it's so bad and scary how much control the org has. And that it's so much different from when she was in.

Then she said "I cant believe my own mother asked an elder for confirmation that it's ok to carry on having a normal mother/daughter relationship. Like, she couldn't decide on her own?"

I replied with a line i read on here a lot: "lets review... it's a CULT!"

Then we laughed and drank until 12:30am.

So it's interesting that at least one elder thinks the GB go too far. And i bet he's not the only one who thinks this. Let's hope more and more active JW's see the GB as the bumbling fools that they are.

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Outraged After Watching The May 2017 Broadcast

by pale.emperor in

ok, so i've just put myself through another months broadcast so i can see what bull they're feeding my still in relatives.

all was going fine... well, i say fine, i mean the usual cheesy videos, rehearsed reactions from jeffrey jackson (you remember him, the one who told half truths and lies at the royal commission) and propaganda from jw land.. the last feature brings up 9/11 and the paris 2015 attack at the bataclan.

just as im thinking "how are they gonna spin this in their direction" i hear these words:.

pale.emperor

It's a country having no sick people... because they kill anyone who gets sick. Then going on about how wonderful their country is for having no sick people.

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Anyone Heard Any Good DEMON Stories Lately?

by Cold Steel in

i saw this recent account on youtube recently and wondered if anyone had any good spook stories?

haunted books?

ouija boards?

pale.emperor

Cofty: Blindfold everybody and see how the ouija board suddenly stops working.

Very true. I find it very interesting that those who dont believe in demons have zero encounters. If you were a powerful, intelligent demon would you be using those powers to knock things over? open and close doors? move a planchette on a Ouija board? Because if it were me i'd be doing some really far out things. Like making it obvious to every scientist on the planet that i exist and claim to be god.

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Does The Watchtower Corporation's Teachings Of Black White Thinking Induce Borderling Personality Disorder In Many Cult member?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i think the disfellowshipping abandonement arrangement in human relationships also to be a heavy contributor to this malady:.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/borderline_personality_disorder.

borderline personality disorder (bpd), also known as emotionally unstable personality disorder, is a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by unstable relationships with other people, unstable sense of self, and unstable emotions.

pale.emperor

Wow! I never realized this before. I know when i first left i felt as if thinking for myself was wrong. It takes time to discover who you really are and what things you really do like and dislike.

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The Milgram experiment.

by The Rebel in

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the milligan experiment was an experiment on obidience to authoritive figures.

it's worth checking out, for in my opinion the experiment showed how even before the conscience is desenthitized, people will go to any length to gain approval from their authoritive figure.

this clarified to me why many become ministerial sevants, elders and company men, giving their life to an organisation they proudly refer to as mother..

pale.emperor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

I've seen this test being performed on TV to show ordinary people tend to submit to authority figures.Derren Brown uses it to test how susceptible some people are, being told that they wont be held responsible somehow switches off their critical thinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxq4QtK3j0Y

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Outraged After Watching The May 2017 Broadcast

by pale.emperor in

ok, so i've just put myself through another months broadcast so i can see what bull they're feeding my still in relatives.

all was going fine... well, i say fine, i mean the usual cheesy videos, rehearsed reactions from jeffrey jackson (you remember him, the one who told half truths and lies at the royal commission) and propaganda from jw land.. the last feature brings up 9/11 and the paris 2015 attack at the bataclan.

just as im thinking "how are they gonna spin this in their direction" i hear these words:.

pale.emperor

Ok, so i've just put myself through another months broadcast so i can see what bull they're feeding my still in relatives. All was going fine... well, i say fine, i mean the usual cheesy videos, rehearsed reactions from Jeffrey Jackson (you remember him, the one who told half truths and lies at the Royal Commission) and propaganda from JW land.

The last feature brings up 9/11 and the Paris 2015 attack at the Bataclan. Just as im thinking "how are they gonna spin this in their direction" i hear these words:

"It was around 10pm that i heard the new. A newsflash announced that there was an attack... and then i immediately thought of our brothers and sisters".

Just some background info, at the Bataclan terrorist attack 90 people were slaughtered by terrorists. This guy doesn't think of them, doesn't think of them as individual human beings, somebodies mother/father/child... no, this **** thinks of "the brothers and sisters".

It gets worse... "...we set up a committee the next day to assist the brothers and sisters who were affected by this event". Now don't get me wrong. That's a very nice and decent think to do, but why just "the brothers and sisters?" Why not everybody? Wouldn't it have been a great witness to see the WT org helping everybody rather than just their own? The man on the video re-enactment even consults his bible first. WHY?!! Doesn't common sense prevail when 90 people have been killed? A 2000 year old book doesn't need to be consulted. You help all where you can.

And what was the help they gave? What help could a multi-billion dollar organization made up of free labor possibly offer? Shepherding.

Yes, that's right. No blankets, no food being distributed, no therapy paid for. Just two unqualified elders turning up at your home pulling scriptures out their ass with a JW spin on it.

It's highlighed that at 9/11 14 JW's had died. That's a horrible, horrible tragedy. It really is. But why differentiate? Imagine someone saying "14 white people had died" or "14 left handed people had died"... what would you think?

It really annoys me when Watchtower does this. It sets up a "us and them" mentality. That the only people that really matter are the JW lives.

Right. Rant over.

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Brother Bradford's comment at the April 29 ,2017 Watchtower Study

by NCC-1701 in

hope this works .

was listening to this on youtube today.

check out brother bradford's comment about the picture of the governing body at about the 1:11:38 mark.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk_jnua-ua0.

pale.emperor

Actually, this image is photoshopped. There was indeed a center chair memeber but when he died they just photoshopped the photo rather than take another one.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/gods-kingdom/standards/organization/

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How much time and money did we waste traveling to meetings alone?

by longgone in

quick answer: way too much!.

this is something that really gets to me, all the way back to my childhood.

twenty minutes each way, three times a week.

pale.emperor

At one point i was spending £80 a month minimum on travel to/from meetings. That's not including field service.

As for time, yeah although the Thursday meeting was from 7:15pm-9pm, i'd get home from work at 6:30pm throw down a quick unhealthy meal down my neck, and leave for the meeting. Then you wouldnt get home until at least 10pm. So there's you evening gone.

Sunday, you wouldnt get home until 1pm and that's if you didnt do ministry, if you DID go out on the ministry you'd get home around 3pm. There's your Sunday gone.

And lets not forget you'd NEVER get a lie in. You're up for work at 7am every weekday, then on Saturday you're up at 8am to make it to the morning field service and up at 8:30 on Sunday.

How the hell did we survive?!!