Posts by pale.emperor

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Aust 2016 Census observations: JW's getting older, more kids leaving, and 30+ group aren't returning

by shepherdless in

1. median age.

experts will tell you that if you want to know if a population is in growth or decline, the best single number to look at is the median age of the population.

i have extracted aust census data and calculated the following approx median ages:.

pale.emperor

I'd estimate that 80% only return to get back with their family. This is the strongest handle the WT has on it's members. Without the shunning of family rule the religion would lose power.

The zeal is gone. As i witnesses for myself only yesterday when trying to speak to young witnesses doing the carts. (You can read about that here: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5734265788563456/cart-witnesses-today-am-impressed)

And not just from the youngsters, the older generation in my last congregation were either depressed, infirm or just wanted to do pursue their hobbies and spend time with their never JW family members.

I give it 50 years.

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Oct 2017 WT again shunning instructions

by Daniel1555 in

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pale.emperor

The upside to being shunned is that these idiots are less likely to ask for money. If they come near me they'll get told off good.

I'm more relieved that i wont have to fix one particular elders laptop and PC for the millionth time. The stupid fool wouldn't spend £19.99 on virus protection software and i was always at his place fixing his computer problems.

Does anyone know why he kept getting popups for Latina Lovers? Or 8th Street Latinas? Hey, nothing to do with me. I just fix the problems and erase his BangBros search history and pretend i dont know what it is.

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June 29, 2017 TO ALL CONGREGATIONS Re: Branch Relocation - Newsletter (UK)

by wifibandit in

june 29, 2017 to all congregations re: branch relocation - newsletter.

britain branch relocation - newsletter ed.5 summer 2017. .

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pale.emperor

Don't go to college.

Don't pursue a career.

Waste your youth in full-time service.

Hold off having kids.

What's that? You studied for a trade anyway despite our advice? Come work for us for free!!

Yes, honor Jehovah (JW.borg) with you valuable things.

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May 24, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS Re: Donations to “Jehovah’s Witnesses of India” by Indian Passport Holders

by wifibandit in

may 24, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: donations to “jehovah’s witnesses of india” by indian passport holders.

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pale.emperor

Maybe im missing something. But whats the problem with this?

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What does it take to qualify for cart/trolley work?

by Londo111 in

if memory serves me, when it was first introduced elders had to fill out a form to grade a jw, and only those who made the grade could do the carts.. i didn’t realize until sir82 said something on another discussion that the process had changed.. what is the process nowadays?

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pale.emperor

Considering the fact that my mum has been doing cart witnessing since the start, it obviously takes very little bible knowledge and very little brain power. My mum couldnt explain the bible concepts but she can quote watchtower articals like you've never seen. The ideal drone for a cart.

Plus, she likes Starbucks.

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Cart Witnesses Today - I am not impressed

by pale.emperor in

just approached a cart then with two jw girls holding out mags.

they continued chatting to each other about car insurance when i took the watchtower from one of their hands.. ok, so it looks like i'll have to get the ball rolling.

i asked if they were jehovahs witness.

pale.emperor

I was one of those witnesses that HAD to know it all inside out. I studied like a fiend for pleasure even in my school years. I was by no means the golden boy of the KH, i just found the theology and bible history fascinating. 1914 always presented a problem to me though. Even when i believed it i strongly believed that we shouldn't be trying to work out dates from the bible. But if asked by someone (which almost never happened) i was able to explain it, but i knew how ridiculous it sounded as i was saying it.

So it's frustrating to me now that im out that the next generation of JWs have absolutely no clue of the deeper things the bible talks of, the deeper things of the torah, the gammatria, the greek words etc. I feel like an old timer looking at the youth of today in despair and im only 32!

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Cart Witnesses Today - I am not impressed

by pale.emperor in

just approached a cart then with two jw girls holding out mags.

they continued chatting to each other about car insurance when i took the watchtower from one of their hands.. ok, so it looks like i'll have to get the ball rolling.

i asked if they were jehovahs witness.

pale.emperor

Modern day J.W.'s are unable to defend what they believe - so they don't even try now. Sad.

Seriously?!! This is a wake up call. Hopefully it'll mean less people joining up and more people leaving over the next few decades.

It's like Diet Jehovah's Witness. Same bullshit, half the thinking involved.

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Cart Witnesses Today - I am not impressed

by pale.emperor in

just approached a cart then with two jw girls holding out mags.

they continued chatting to each other about car insurance when i took the watchtower from one of their hands.. ok, so it looks like i'll have to get the ball rolling.

i asked if they were jehovahs witness.

pale.emperor

Whenever i speak to cart witnesses (which is not very often, only when they look lonely and bored), my approach is the same. I make out i sorta-kinda know what witnesses believe due to a guy in work who used to be one who left.

My fave topics include:

How would we recognize the truth?

Could a person be JW Christian by using just the bible and not studying magazines?

Could God use other people to transmit his will, like an average JW or even non JWs?

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Cart Witnesses Today - I am not impressed

by pale.emperor in

just approached a cart then with two jw girls holding out mags.

they continued chatting to each other about car insurance when i took the watchtower from one of their hands.. ok, so it looks like i'll have to get the ball rolling.

i asked if they were jehovahs witness.

pale.emperor

Just approached a cart then with two JW girls holding out mags. They continued chatting to each other about car insurance when I took the Watchtower from one of their hands.

Ok, so it looks like I'll have to get the ball rolling. I asked if they were Jehovahs Witness. They said yes and carried on talking to each other.

I asked them what the books were about. They said "it's a book that explains the bible so you can understand it". Then just stood there facing the street holding their mags.

Am I right in understanding that you have to be an exemplary JW to have the privilege of doing cart witnessing? If this is the best their congregation has (Broad Green, Liverpool I later discovered as I said my goodbyes) then the standard really is slipping.

Why, it's almost as if they didn't want to do the ministry and it was a compulsion. No sense of urgency in preaching the "good news of gods kingdom at all". In my day I loved to get into a bible discussion.

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The point at which you think this may not be the truth

by LevelThePlayingField in

i remember one of the nights that i found out the truth wasn't the truth, that is after finding out about the united nations, i remember riding my bicycle from like 1am till 5am in the city night.

it was rather chilly, maybe about 55-60 degrees and i was playing pink floyd's dark side of the moon album in my earbuds.

just riding and riding, not really tiring because of the thought that 7 men in brooklyn had duped me, duped me for like 20 plus years.

pale.emperor

For years i always said "if this isn't the truth, it's the closest thing to it" or "if the JWs are wrong, Christianity is wrong. There is no other Christian religion" oh how misguided i was then!

For me it was when my then-wife was in a mental hospital for manic OCD, self harming and attempted suicides (yes, plural). And i was looking after my daughter one on one. I was going through a lot already with work, taking time off, hospital visits etc and the elders still expected me to make every meeting, every ministry and answer up and study. Yet i had no friends in the KH and it was like a big popularity contest to fit in. I remember thinking how nice it would be to, just once, have a lie in. Have a day where i didn't have to work or do something JW related like ministry or the KH. I wasn't happy in the religion and knew many people who were never JW or exJW who were a lot happier.

So i started questioning what a follower on Jesus is. Going only by the bible. As far as i could see it had nothing to do with meeting attendance and everything to do with me and my conduct and beliefs. So i made a real effort to expose myself to all sides of the arguments. So-called "apostate" sites, Mormonism, Born Agains, Christadelphians, Catholic, Church Of England, Lutheran, Seven Day Adventist, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoist... i studied them all.

Started reading Crisis Of Conscience, got a third of the way in one day i took my little girl to the park and it just hit me. This isnt the truth. It never was.

The rest you can read on my very first post. Never looked back and im immeasurably happier.