Posts by pale.emperor

26

My Introduction

by Ray Frankz in

this is my first post and i'm feeling like i'm doing something bad big time!

i know on my mind it isn't, but the feelings are less manageable.. well, since i'm still a jw it's better not to give too much info, but i'm from brazil.. i've grown-up in the religion and practicly all my family, my closest friends and my girlfriend are loyal jws.

i used to be a regular pioneer but i still have a service privilege on my congregation.. i've had questions about the teachings of the wt since i was 10, but naturally i always pushed it away as it were "questioning the holy organization".. i started a friendship with some people in a course i took and we talked about a lot of subjects.

pale.emperor

Welcome!

I was struck by what you said about sometimes having to be dishonest when talking to people about the Witness religion. You felt you had to lie a little so that it would be seen in a better light.

I remember doing this myself and I never felt good about it. If most Witnesses are honest with themselves they will admit they are dishonest as well when defending the religion to non-JWs.

Same here. I was a loyal defender of the JWs but I also had to resort to lying to protect the image.

I congratulate you on your honesty and search for truth. If more JWs were like you I'd have a lot more respect for the org.

17

Cross-dressing Jehovah's Witness raped and molested girl

by cobweb in

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/cross-dressing-jehovahs-witness-raped-13311020.

a cross-dressing jehovah’s witness raped and molested a girl while making her wear adult women’s clothes.. david fuge, 69, wore dresses and silky underwear when he repeatedly abused his blindfolded victim from the age of eight to 19.. .

liverpool crown court heard he gagged her and on one occasion tied a belt around her neck and left her hanging from a hook in a room.. he photographed the child naked, made her read pornographic magazines, beat her with a piece of wood and abused her at a golf course.. .

pale.emperor

List of elders for the Wallasey South congregation.
This offender was not one of them.

Sorry, i should have clarified, i wasnt suggesting this guy is/was an elder.

The couple who moved to that congregation were Dave Guy and his wife. Dave Guy is an elder on that list. This is why i asked my ex about it because she's sort-of friends with Mrs Guy. (You know how elders wives are, gossip queens but also in a clique of fellow elders wives and sycophants). My ex used to be in that clique because her dad is an elder.

11

BBC News: Contaminated blood scandal inquiry announced (Expect Some JW Propaganda Over This!!)

by pale.emperor in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40566761.

an inquiry will be held into the contaminated blood scandal that left at least 2,400 people dead, the prime minister has confirmed.. it will establish the causes of the "appalling injustice" that took place in the 1970s and 1980s.

nhs patients were given blood products that were infected with diseases, such as hepatitis c and hiv.. families of those who died will be consulted about what form the inquiry should take.. it could be a public hillsborough-style inquiry or a judge-led statutory inquiry, prime minister theresa may confirmed.. the prime minister's spokesman said: "it is a tragedy that has caused immeasurable hardship and pain for all those affected and a full inquiry to establish the truth of what happened is the right course of action to take.. "it is going to be a wide-ranging inquiry.".

pale.emperor

That BBC report says the diseases were transmitted when patients accepted the blood clotting fraction "Factor VIII":
BBC: They needed regular treatment with a clotting agent Factor VIII, which is made from donated blood.
JW's can't claim they were protected from this danger because it is a blood fraction, not one of the four banned components.
*** w00 6/15 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***
For example, clotting factor VIII has been given to hemophiliacs, who bleed easily. Or if someone is exposed to certain diseases, doctors might prescribe injections of gamma globulin, extracted from the blood plasma of people who already had immunity.... Should Christians accept these fractions in medical treatment? We cannot say. The Bible does not give details, so a Christian must make his own conscientious decision before God.
So if a JW tells you they were protected in this case by their blood policy, please tell them they were not.

Well spotted Splash!

11

BBC News: Contaminated blood scandal inquiry announced (Expect Some JW Propaganda Over This!!)

by pale.emperor in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40566761.

an inquiry will be held into the contaminated blood scandal that left at least 2,400 people dead, the prime minister has confirmed.. it will establish the causes of the "appalling injustice" that took place in the 1970s and 1980s.

nhs patients were given blood products that were infected with diseases, such as hepatitis c and hiv.. families of those who died will be consulted about what form the inquiry should take.. it could be a public hillsborough-style inquiry or a judge-led statutory inquiry, prime minister theresa may confirmed.. the prime minister's spokesman said: "it is a tragedy that has caused immeasurable hardship and pain for all those affected and a full inquiry to establish the truth of what happened is the right course of action to take.. "it is going to be a wide-ranging inquiry.".

pale.emperor

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40566761

An inquiry will be held into the contaminated blood scandal that left at least 2,400 people dead, the prime minister has confirmed.
It will establish the causes of the "appalling injustice" that took place in the 1970s and 1980s.
NHS patients were given blood products that were infected with diseases, such as hepatitis C and HIV.
Families of those who died will be consulted about what form the inquiry should take.
It could be a public Hillsborough-style inquiry or a judge-led statutory inquiry, Prime Minister Theresa May confirmed.
The prime minister's spokesman said: "It is a tragedy that has caused immeasurable hardship and pain for all those affected and a full inquiry to establish the truth of what happened is the right course of action to take.
"It is going to be a wide-ranging inquiry."
The spokesman said the decision to hold an investigation had been prompted by new evidence.

How long until this is mentioned on the platform? Ah we were right, "scientists" were wrong.

But they wont mention the many lives blood has saved.

17

Cross-dressing Jehovah's Witness raped and molested girl

by cobweb in

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/cross-dressing-jehovahs-witness-raped-13311020.

a cross-dressing jehovah’s witness raped and molested a girl while making her wear adult women’s clothes.. david fuge, 69, wore dresses and silky underwear when he repeatedly abused his blindfolded victim from the age of eight to 19.. .

liverpool crown court heard he gagged her and on one occasion tied a belt around her neck and left her hanging from a hook in a room.. he photographed the child naked, made her read pornographic magazines, beat her with a piece of wood and abused her at a golf course.. .

pale.emperor

I remember this fella. Never knew him personally but he was in Wallasey South congregation, a couple from my old hall moved to that congregation and i remember his stupid sad face. He had bushy eyebrows and when he answered up he practically barked down the mic. You see the same old faces every year at the convention and thats the kind of face you dont forget.

I always thought he was one of those old school, hardline JWs that never laughs when the speaker makes a joke from the platform. Shush's people who whisper during the talks and taps people on the shoulder if they talk during the song.

I asked my ex about it, she's still sort-of friends with the couple that are in his cong. She said "we're not allowed to talk about it". Whatever that means. I cant imagine who his "supporters" are. Even when i was a JW i'dve happily kicked this man to death for harming a child.

Now remember, if this brave girl leaves the JWs because of this and lives her life free of them she'd be shunned, and if he's "repentant" he wont be.

Post WW2 Educational Film About Facism Is Startlingly Similar To Watchtower

by pale.emperor in

stumbled across this short film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k6-ceajzle.

i encourage you to watch the whole thing, but if you cant, watch from 8:50. it's startlingly similar to the watchtower society..

pale.emperor

Stumbled across this short film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K6-cEAJZlE

I encourage you to watch the whole thing, but if you cant, watch from 8:50. It's startlingly similar to the Watchtower society.

20

My 1 Year Update - I've Been Disfellowshipped One Year Today

by pale.emperor in

what a journey!.

it was a year ago today that i was announced from the platform by brother paul "twofaced" castley that i was "no longer one of jehovah's witnesses".

i didn't go to that meeting to hear the announcement because i already didn't believe the watchtower religion.. how was my first year?

pale.emperor

i got high in Amsterdam
I lolled at that, good to taste our cultural richess!
Anyway, I'm glad you still have your litlle princess under your care and have found more peace in your life and had a few opportunities to anti-witness. Thanks for all your contributions to this forum...cheers from the land of the tulips!

Amsterdam is one of my favorite citys. Marijuana aside, i really love the people, those tall houses, the scenery and your transport system which just works. England needs some of that! Oh and Dutch girls . The accent is damn sexy.

Pale.Emperor

26

Judicial meeting questions.

by Fader812 in

why do elders ask such perverted questions during judicial meetings?

kinda creeped me out, actually creeped me out a lot.

.

pale.emperor

One of my best friends (female) left the org precisely because of this. She wasn't even baptized, was an unbaptized publisher at 15 and secretly had a worldly boyfriend. On one occasion her bf touched her boobs (shock-horror!) and her sister told on her to the elders.

The story i got from her was, the elders in her cong contacted the CO to determine what action should be taken. She was removed as unbaptized publisher. But for some reason three elders still wanted to talk to her. She was asked the following questions (i swear this is what she told me):

Where were you when this happened?

Did he touch just one or both?

Were you wearing a bra?

Did he move them around or just squeeze them?

Did you like it?

What were you wearing?

Did you get aroused?

Was he aroused?

What were you thinking as he was doing this?

The youngest elder in that room at in his late 50s. The oldest was 80-odd. She was 15. After that she was too creeped out to ever look at them again and never went to another KH. She's now a very successful business woman.

21

WT Library being edited

by berrygerry in

i thought that wt would have started doing this, but i have not noticed any posts before.. can anyone confirm (post is from fb)?.

so i have been looking up these different articles to read for myself...one problem.the last time we got a disc was 2015 and i used my mil's disc to down load it to my computer.

they did a update to it last year over the internet, the program updated it's self.

pale.emperor

I think the book 1984 by George Orwell is a perfect example of Watchtower:

At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge, which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible.

40

we have a laid off bethelite with an engineering degree!

by nowwhat? in

this guy have been at bethel for 25 years when he could have been making 75-100 thousand a year as an engineer.

so they kick him to the curb so they don't have to house him and his wife anymore.

they run into a problem at warwick and they ask him to come back for 3 weeks.

pale.emperor

I remember an interview at an assembley where they interviewed a young brother who was a talented musician and was a piano player in a band. He had to choose between serving Jehovah and touring with the band. He chose Jehovah. Two years later the band was an international name.

Interviewer: Any regrets brother?

Him: None whatsoever.

The band was called Coldplay.

Dick.